Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, I feel for all of the people impacted by the fires. It's a terrible disaster. In times like these those who have had their homes destroyed deserve nothing but sympathy, offers of warm meals, and homes that are open to them and help cleaning up.

For those of you who had nothing but empathy for those in Western North Carolina but find yourselves finding fault with those near LA, you should be ashamed of yourselves. They've just been through a major tragedy.

NP. Difference is NC that flooding was unusual while LA fire is not. In CA, it’s fire season everyday due to overcrowding.

No, the flooding in NC wasn’t unusual. It was in a flood zone and entirely predictable.

And even if you want to ignore the past flood zone warnings, now we know that it’s a routine occurrence so NC should be considered as a future risk as well.

The cognitive dissonance from the people who want to pretend that natural disasters in their favored states should be paid for by the rest of the country but not ones in disfavored states is so disgusting.

Wait, what? Huge portions of the flooded parts of western NC weren’t in a flood zone or anywhere close to one.

Well, they are now. We have new information, folks.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Yeah, that’s the thing I don’t get about posters like the PP. Do we empty the entire Midwest because of New Madrid, for which the Midwest is horrifyingly unprepared?

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

No, you're just saying that you don't care if your house burns down again and will self-insure, right? I mean, no judgment. In the right circumstances I would totally buy on the ocean, even if it were in a house that couldn't be insured. The right circumstances being that I could afford to lose the house or was so old I just didn't care that much if my house went into the ocean and I really wanted to live there.

So nobody should rebuild in NC unless they can entirely self-insure, right?

It depends on the exact plot of land.

Ah. So you want plot by plot flood risk analysis done for all residents of NC, accounting for future risks?

Do you people live in anything close to resembling the real world, or is your entire contact with reality just the walls of your basement?

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:To add insult to injury looters have descended on some places to loot the homes while the owners are evacuated. This might be the last straw for some.

Last straw, how?

What are they gonna do? Vote republican???? Hahahaha

Give up? Move away? Vote differently? Any of those things.

Trump won the election.
And house and senate are majority controlled by GOP.
Supreme Court majority too.
Hahahaha

?? This makes no sense. People's day to day lives are impacted more by local, not federal, politics. My friends homes are being looted as we speak because they had to evacuate, again, for a fire. It's not the first time. It becomes too much at some point.

I'm sorry to hear about the looting. It's starting to feel like we're living in an Octavia Butler novel. Sad. Even tragic, really.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

No, you're just saying that you don't care if your house burns down again and will self-insure, right? I mean, no judgment. In the right circumstances I would totally buy on the ocean, even if it were in a house that couldn't be insured. The right circumstances being that I could afford to lose the house or was so old I just didn't care that much if my house went into the ocean and I really wanted to live there.

So nobody should rebuild in NC unless they can entirely self-insure, right?

It depends on the exact plot of land.

Ah. So you want plot by plot flood risk analysis done for all residents of NC, accounting for future risks?

Do you people live in anything close to resembling the real world, or is your entire contact with reality just the walls of your basement?

It's already been done. If you think that doesn't exist you haven't looked at a website like Redfin or Zillow lately. Every single plot of land bought or sold has this kind of analysis already. It impacts who will buy your land, who will insure it, and how much it's worth.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

DP but what hysterics? It is factual and well-documented that the Midwest is completely unprepared for a massive earthquake and in fact they have chosen not to strengthen building codes.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

DP but what hysterics? It is factual and well-documented that the Midwest is completely unprepared for a massive earthquake and in fact they have chosen not to strengthen building codes.

"no one can live anywhere!" Is pretty hysterical.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

No, you're just saying that you don't care if your house burns down again and will self-insure, right? I mean, no judgment. In the right circumstances I would totally buy on the ocean, even if it were in a house that couldn't be insured. The right circumstances being that I could afford to lose the house or was so old I just didn't care that much if my house went into the ocean and I really wanted to live there.

So nobody should rebuild in NC unless they can entirely self-insure, right?

It depends on the exact plot of land.

Ah. So you want plot by plot flood risk analysis done for all residents of NC, accounting for future risks?

Do you people live in anything close to resembling the real world, or is your entire contact with reality just the walls of your basement?

It's already been done. If you think that doesn't exist you haven't looked at a website like Redfin or Zillow lately. Every single plot of land bought or sold has this kind of analysis already. It impacts who will buy your land, who will insure it, and how much it's worth.

Not for what you want. You don’t understand.

Again, large parts of NC were in flood zones and certainly are now. Are you taking the position that no houses in NC should be rebuilt in those zones unless the owners can self-insure? Across all of NC, and all properties that were or are now in flood zones? That flood was entirely predictable based on historic patterns and data. So what exactly do you think those folks should do? And where should they move, if they can’t afford to self-insure?

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Anonymous wrote:Born and raised in LA and I could care less about these fires.
LA is grown so much in last 40 years there are people over consuming the water of 5 states and building in geographical areas that are nearly inaccessible for a response by heavy equipment.

Let it burn and limit rebuilding to 1 out 10 homes.
Maybe people will move from a freaking natural desert not sustainable for mass
Human populations.

At least 5 people are dead. Thousands are suffering trauma you can’t imagine. Try to act like you at least have cognitive empathy.

Check your water statements. Do you want California agriculture to stop? That’s where the majority of the water goes. It’s not a population issue.

I did not say I want anyone to die. Do you know that area?
The outskirts of LA to Lancaster and Victorville are straight up desert and where NASA did all their X planes testing. Like where we tested experimental aircraft because it was a freaking desert and there was desert, military bases, rattlesnakes Joshua trees and jack rabbits. Not Many people. If there was a fire there was no congestion to get out.

I am fine with a small amount of people living in areas where nature does not support it; but when you turn it into Fairfax county and then the palisades into McLean with mountains what do you expect?

That area has always had high winds in the winter since long before man was on earth. And, yes, little water - hence it is a desert.

Like I said - some places mother nature is going to flex and people should take notice of her warning.

You cannot city plan in a f’n canyon neighborhood with single point of failure surrounding you. These are big mountains and winds, egress and water are all limiting factors.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

DP but what hysterics? It is factual and well-documented that the Midwest is completely unprepared for a massive earthquake and in fact they have chosen not to strengthen building codes.

"no one can live anywhere!" Is pretty hysterical.

But true, if the position is that people should only rebuild in places where there is no climate risk, which seems to be what the PP was saying.

Should any house that isn’t built to California- and Japan-style earthquake standards be insurable in the Midwest? Yes or no?

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Anonymous wrote:Born and raised in LA and I could care less about these fires.
LA is grown so much in last 40 years there are people over consuming the water of 5 states and building in geographical areas that are nearly inaccessible for a response by heavy equipment.

Let it burn and limit rebuilding to 1 out 10 homes.
Maybe people will move from a freaking natural desert not sustainable for mass
Human populations.

At least 5 people are dead. Thousands are suffering trauma you can’t imagine. Try to act like you at least have cognitive empathy.

Check your water statements. Do you want California agriculture to stop? That’s where the majority of the water goes. It’s not a population issue.

I did not say I want anyone to die. Do you know that area?
The outskirts of LA to Lancaster and Victorville are straight up desert and where NASA did all their X planes testing. Like where we tested experimental aircraft because it was a freaking desert and there was desert, military bases, rattlesnakes Joshua trees and jack rabbits. Not Many people. If there was a fire there was no congestion to get out.

I am fine with a small amount of people living in areas where nature does not support it; but when you turn it into Fairfax county and then the palisades into McLean with mountains what do you expect?

That area has always had high winds in the winter since long before man was on earth. And, yes, little water - hence it is a desert.

Like I said - some places mother nature is going to flex and people should take notice of her warning.

You cannot city plan in a f’n canyon neighborhood with single point of failure surrounding you. These are big mountains and winds, egress and water are all limiting factors.

Okay. So where are relocating these millions of people?

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

This is simply not true.

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It’s awful, but it’s God’s way of sending a message.

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Anonymous wrote:Makes you wonder if it is an act of terrorism. You don't need a dirty bomb or something huge to cause massive destruction. Something as small as purposefully throwing a cigarette onto dry brush can in CA can now cause mass destruction and massive financial pain for the whole country.

Especially if your government has completely abdicated on any fuel reduction activities.

California already has more hybrid and EV’s than any state in the country.

Psst: they are still denying climate change. All they care about are a few weeds in an area they've said is way overcrowded. They think there are no other factors than the brush they imagine is choking the whole landscape there. The winds are not an issue. The climate is not an issue.

Are you denying climate change if you rebuild in a high risk fire zone?

What should be done about the vast numbers of structures on the New Madrid fault, none of which are built to withstand even a mild earthquake? What should be done about Texas and its failed power grid. At least 365 people died directly from heat in Texas last year, so what about that? Your line of thinking leads to the conclusion that no one can live anywhere.

Your hysterics lead you to that conclusion. But it's pretty clear LA is becoming increasingly inhospitable in a way the majority of other places aren't.

This is simply not true.

We can agree to disagree.