Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

[Anonymous]

Because UMC folks fully funded the 529 accounts, assuming Larla will be admitted to Harvard. That, as we know, is an unlikely scenario for any family.

Instead, Larla, very respectably, got into Michigan or Berkeley. While it was rather pricy, they had money set aside already, and it is a good school.

Seeing that, Larlo's parents were also willing to pay full freight for Colorado or Indiana or UCSD because they are also good schools, and money was already set aside.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

Pulling data out of your butt?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

Good for him. He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that. And one of only a handful who turned down UVA for it. No doubt about that.

One of my kid’s best friends from NOVA went to Boulder. Such a nice kid and doing really well. Not much of a student in high school though.

One of only 65 students in the entire state of Virginia that declined the UVA offer? Can you please provide a source for this claim?

I'm not sure what you point is. Shouldn't your kid decide where they want to go to school?

"Not much of a student in high school though"? Wow! In my 32 years of business experience in DC, we have hired kids from all across the country. UVA holds no more "cashe" than grads from the BIG 10, SEC or BIG 12.

Are you obsessed with rankings of universities?

I'm curious, did you attend UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

According to parchment, if the choice is UVA vs Michigan, 57% choose Michigan. 54% choose UCLA. 60% choose Berkeley. 69% choose USC. Looks like UVA isn't the top choice for many, many people.
DP

Again, we are talking about in-state comparisons. Apples and oranges. We’ve been over this many times. Obviously you weren’t smart enough for UVA.

Hit a nerve!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

Good for him. He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that. And one of only a handful who turned down UVA for it. No doubt about that.

One of my kid’s best friends from NOVA went to Boulder. Such a nice kid and doing really well. Not much of a student in high school though.

DP. Wow, what an officious twat... you're (almost) comical!

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

Pulling data out of your butt?

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The PP is one of the worst UVA boosters I've ever seen. I'd be so embarrassed to have someone like that representing my alma mater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

Good for him. He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that. And one of only a handful who turned down UVA for it. No doubt about that.

One of my kid’s best friends from NOVA went to Boulder. Such a nice kid and doing really well. Not much of a student in high school though.

DP. Wow, what an officious twat... you're (almost) comical!

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

Pulling data out of your butt?

+1
The PP is one of the worst UVA boosters I've ever seen. I'd be so embarrassed to have someone like that representing my alma mater.

UVA granny didn’t go to UVA. Her kids did.

[Anonymous]

We might need to change from "Virginia us for Lovers" to "Virginia is the food fight state".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Because UMC folks fully funded the 529 accounts, assuming Larla will be admitted to Harvard. That, as we know, is an unlikely scenario for any family.

Instead, Larla, very respectably, got into Michigan or Berkeley. While it was rather pricy, they had money set aside already, and it is a good school.

Seeing that, Larlo's parents were also willing to pay full freight for Colorado or Indiana or UCSD because they are also good schools, and money was already set aside.

The difference being that Larlo chose Michigan or Berkeley over UVA, but chose Colorado or Indiana because they didn’t get into UVA or didn’t apply to UVA because they knew they weren’t getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

The reason this thread turned into a “pissing match” is obvious. Yes, of course, there have always been VA students who chose to go to OOS flagships rather than UVA since the beginning of time. Your son is one of them. But OP’s specific question is “why more and why now?”

There’s no single answer to this question, but clearly one of the main drivers has been the increased selectivity of UVA and, to a lesser but real extent, UMD. Many in state students who as recently as a decade ago would have been shoo-ins to these schools are now on the outside looking in. They still want the flagship experience, though, and they’re highest qualified for admission to most other flagships, so off they go.

No, it’s not every student. We all get that. But for posters to argue that the increased selectivity of UVA and UMD has nothing to do with more kids electing to go to OOS flagships is laughable. Just go to any one of the one million threads on UVA and UMD admissions to see parents lamenting getting rejected from these schools but happily listing the alternative OOS flagships (and privates) that they will be attending instead.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Some kids prefer VT. That doesn’t make them “clueless” as they have their own preferences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because UMC folks fully funded the 529 accounts, assuming Larla will be admitted to Harvard. That, as we know, is an unlikely scenario for any family.

Instead, Larla, very respectably, got into Michigan or Berkeley. While it was rather pricy, they had money set aside already, and it is a good school.

Seeing that, Larlo's parents were also willing to pay full freight for Colorado or Indiana or UCSD because they are also good schools, and money was already set aside.

The difference being that Larlo chose Michigan or Berkeley over UVA, but chose Colorado or Indiana because they didn’t get into UVA or didn’t apply to UVA because they knew they weren’t getting in.

Oh no. I thought we were past this rigid, inaccurate thinking.

Do we need to revisit cross-admit and yield rates again?

People have different preferences than you. They aren’t all driven solely by cost and ranking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

The reason this thread turned into a “pissing match” is obvious. Yes, of course, there have always been VA students who chose to go to OOS flagships rather than UVA since the beginning of time. Your son is one of them. But OP’s specific question is “why more and why now?”

There’s no single answer to this question, but clearly one of the main drivers has been the increased selectivity of UVA and, to a lesser but real extent, UMD. Many in state students who as recently as a decade ago would have been shoo-ins to these schools are now on the outside looking in. They still want the flagship experience, though, and they’re highest qualified for admission to most other flagships, so off they go.

No, it’s not every student. We all get that. But for posters to argue that the increased selectivity of UVA and UMD has nothing to do with more kids electing to go to OOS flagships is laughable. Just go to any one of the one million threads on UVA and UMD admissions to see parents lamenting getting rejected from these schools but happily listing the alternative OOS flagships (and privates) that they will be attending instead.

Where is the evidence there are more now?