Kate's New Picture

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I tend to believe this is all medical. My kid just went through a series of medical issues starting in December, and it's like the entire world stands still. Also, my kid was very self conscious because she'd been pumped full of IVs and steroids, causing her to have a 15 lbs weight fluctuation (which went away after the final surgery). So my kid was basically bloated and exhausted and lethargic, but also really aware of that so she didn't want to leave her bedroom much in between hospital stays. And people understand surgery, but they don't really understand all the issues that surround it and how that can impact your life. So I tend to believe she's encountered a health issue that has been at least somewhat complicated, and that she's likely self conscious about it and also not in a mental condition to be super strategic about the communication to the public.


Agree.

And best wishes to your kiddo.
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Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.


A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.


I had hyperemesis twice. It was horrendous but no issues now. It stops once the baby is born and is not linked to long term gi issues on its own


Yeah, unlikely related to HG. For one, vast majority of women suffering with it don’t have long term issues. Plus Kate was admitted and under IV nutrition/hydration and closely watched and cared for throughout. She had much more medical support than the avg woman suffering with it, which makes her odds of having long term complications even less
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.


A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.


I had hyperemesis twice. It was horrendous but no issues now. It stops once the baby is born and is not linked to long term gi issues on its own


The link you quoted says somethings very different. It states, in the first line, that it can lead to long-term health consequences. It also says that there is very little research on it so we don't know. For those of you who had pre-eclampsia or gestational diabetes, you know you are at higher risk for diabetes and heart disease and at a younger age than those of us who didn't. Oddly, most women don't know this. Also, since meds can impact baby, I woonder if she was under-medicated. Thus suffered more than necessary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.


Literally nobody said that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.


Literally nobody said that.


It’s hyperbole. And, yes, many folks have implied it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.


A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.


I had hyperemesis twice. It was horrendous but no issues now. It stops once the baby is born and is not linked to long term gi issues on its own


Yeah, unlikely related to HG. For one, vast majority of women suffering with it don’t have long term issues. Plus Kate was admitted and under IV nutrition/hydration and closely watched and cared for throughout. She had much more medical support than the avg woman suffering with it, which makes her odds of having long term complications even less


This. HG is really awful but if you get treatment, it s a lot easier to deal with and no long-term impacts. For me the hardest part was being very sick and being told "oh that's normal in the first trimester," and not being taken seriously until I ended up in the ER severely dehydrated. That may have been how it worked for Kate the first time too, which sucks. But once they know you have it, it gets a lot easier because you get treatment and also you know the drill.

I'm guessing Kate was able to gain access to IV fluids at home when necessary, too, which would be a huge help. Especially when you have older kids-- having to go to the hospital or urgent care to get fluids when you are vomiting continuously really sucks, plus sometimes the IV takes forever because the dehydration shrinks your veins.

But I think long-term complications are rare. I would assume this is unrelated.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.



This is all straw man argumentation. I and others have been accused of “princess worship” despite being an actual Republican as it is used in the sane world- I am deeply anti-monarchist. Anti-titles on all levels but especially for any deference to that in the US. The issue is that the salacious theories (DV, illegitimate babies) were presented as fact repeatedly with no basis, while the medical crisis plus stupid-bad photoshop opinion was treated as hopelessly naive. It’s a bad faith argument you got up there, but feel free to hug it tight.

The stuff on this page of the thread about hyperemesis in pregnancy reminds me of reading about that in Atul Gawande’s first book. He made clear how much HG wrecked one of his patients, but I never thought of how serious that could be over multiple pregnancies.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.


Literally nobody said that.


It’s hyperbole. And, yes, many folks have implied it.


Nobody even implied it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But the fast engagement and marriage could just as well be due to getting pregnant by the man she married, right? What am I missing? Is there some reason the speed of it would have to lead to William as the father?


Rose first had twin sons with her husband. They were born soon after the marriage. The daughter came a few years later, and is William’s.


How is this fact? And how is the pegging preference even known?!!
Another random questions - where does this child fit age wise with the other kids? Were she and Kate pregnant at the same time (if so gross) or is she younger?
Anonymous
One of the morning shows just had a clip of Kate from a previous year at a St. Patrick's Day event. It was such a reminder of how completely perfect she has been at so many events: impeccable hair, makeup, clothing, and hat. Everything just looked 100% perfect.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.


A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.


I had hyperemesis twice. It was horrendous but no issues now. It stops once the baby is born and is not linked to long term gi issues on its own


The link you quoted says somethings very different. It states, in the first line, that it can lead to long-term health consequences. It also says that there is very little research on it so we don't know. For those of you who had pre-eclampsia or gestational diabetes, you know you are at higher risk for diabetes and heart disease and at a younger age than those of us who didn't. Oddly, most women don't know this. Also, since meds can impact baby, I woonder if she was under-medicated. Thus suffered more than necessary.


I have wondered if she was allowed to take zofran, which I took and it made it possible for me to work in my second trimester. There are other treatments but they aren't as effective.

However, the long-term consequences you are talking about are for HG that goes untreated. A pregnancy will take the nutrients it needs from your body, so the risk with HG is that untreated, you can wind up with nutrients deficiencies, especially in your bones which can be especially dangerous for women and cause osteoporosis and other issues. But if you get IV fluid treatment as necessary, these risks go away. I don't think it poses long-term GI tract risks unless you literally never stopped throwing up. But for most women, including Kate, HG is not continuous, it's just that you continue to experience vomiting throughout your pregnancy and sometimes mes you can have episodes where you vomit continuously for several days, necessitating intervention. Don't get me wrong, it is horrible. But I don't see how something new getting prompt treatment would have long-term issues.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But the fast engagement and marriage could just as well be due to getting pregnant by the man she married, right? What am I missing? Is there some reason the speed of it would have to lead to William as the father?


Rose first had twin sons with her husband. They were born soon after the marriage. The daughter came a few years later, and is William’s.


How is this fact? And how is the pegging preference even known?!!
Another random questions - where does this child fit age wise with the other kids? Were she and Kate pregnant at the same time (if so gross) or is she younger?


Trash rumors. No one knows, but not believable to me
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But the fast engagement and marriage could just as well be due to getting pregnant by the man she married, right? What am I missing? Is there some reason the speed of it would have to lead to William as the father?

DP. Rumor had it that Rose’s hubby was gay and the marriage was for the pregnancy


Why would Pippa name her daughter Rose ?


I’d imagine that Pipa wasn’t the only person deciding the name of her daughter. Also, best case, she still named her daughter the same name as the woman suspected of having an affair with her BIL.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They’re going to have to swallow their pride and ask Harry and Meg to come back. All of the Queens kids are old and they can’t continue doing engagements the way they are right now.

Will and Kate are probably over


If this fiasco has shown anything, it’s that M&H are surely thrilled to be away from that cesspool BRF. No way in hell they want any part of that again.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.


Literally nobody said that.


It’s hyperbole. And, yes, many folks have implied it.


Nobody even implied it.


No one would be shocked or horrified if they got divorced, we just don’t think it will look like this.
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