Kate's New Picture

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Anonymous wrote:I tend to believe this is all medical. My kid just went through a series of medical issues starting in December, and it's like the entire world stands still. Also, my kid was very self conscious because she'd been pumped full of IVs and steroids, causing her to have a 15 lbs weight fluctuation (which went away after the final surgery). So my kid was basically bloated and exhausted and lethargic, but also really aware of that so she didn't want to leave her bedroom much in between hospital stays. And people understand surgery, but they don't really understand all the issues that surround it and how that can impact your life. So I tend to believe she's encountered a health issue that has been at least somewhat complicated, and that she's likely self conscious about it and also not in a mental condition to be super strategic about the communication to the public.

Part of the reason I don't think it's all medical is my experience with multiple abdominal surgeries (and emergencies). Those times were absolutely miserable and you're right that people who haven't been through something like this don't understand how it impacts your life. But by the time I could have gotten into a car and sat up straight during a car ride, I didn't look so bad that I'd turn away from getting my photo taken, and by that time I also was mentally aware enough to do things like keep track of when I was supposed to take my medicines and have conversations. At a minimum I don't buy the photoshop story. If you're capable of doing a photoshoot sitting up and performing a photoshop task, it's highly unlikely you are so ill you can't understand that it's a bad idea to send out a doctored image to the press. Obviously this is all speculation and only Kate really knows what she's going through.

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Twitter now has some kind of 'community' devoted to KateGate - some more crazy funny theories for those who are so inclined: https://twitter.com/i/communities/1767314790718796074

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I saw speculation that it was actually Pippa in the car, not Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:My thought is they aren't getting divorced. It;s not beneficial to him to get divorced. I had always thought if William were to divorce Kate it would be when the kids were older and before he became king, so as not to recreate the drama of his childhood. However it seems he mightbecome king a little sooner than expected so no divorce.

I actually don't think Harry will divorce Meghan either same situation as will. I do think unlike Kate Meghan would divorce Harry if she began to see him as more of a liability.

I think both brothers are desperate to avoid being compared to their father in terms of relationships.


What I think is happening with Kate is it's something medical, and something they aren't comfortable discussing publically now if ever, that might be for the protection of the children so as not to worry them. I think whatever it is has a long recovery, but I also think there have been some hiccups along the way that is prolonging recovery.

I also suspect Charles may be a bit worse than has been said.

I’ve said the same thing multiple times on this thread and no one cares. Crazies are crazy. Poor Charles, I do think it’s worse that they’re letting on.

I’m much more interested in talking about what will happen next, and how Camilla is holding on to power with a dead tight grip.

I think that's why things seem to be a bit chaotic in what's being shared with the public. Trying to manage a situation where 2 people are not as well as hoped, plus a vicious public is not a PR job I would envy.

Camilla doesn't have any real power. Yeah she finally married Charles, but she didn't produce his heirs, she's nothing more than a footnote in history.

She's more than a footnote; the only divorced woman ever to marry a monarch and become Queen Consort.

Wallis Simpson?

Married a Duke after he renounced the throne.

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For me the big story here isn’t even Kate, it’s the fact that Kensington Palace is so arrogant as to release a doctored photo to try to quell speculation. That is a huge middle finger to the British public, who supports this family. Complete silence would have been preferable. William and Kate have long been criticized for not working very hard, why would the public continue to support them after all this? It’s unforgivable and now anything they say is subject to questioning and disbelief. Initially I had no doubt she had abdominal surgery but after the photo fiasco, who knows?

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Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.

A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.

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Anonymous wrote:But the fast engagement and marriage could just as well be due to getting pregnant by the man she married, right? What am I missing? Is there some reason the speed of it would have to lead to William as the father?

DP. Rumor had it that Rose’s hubby was gay and the marriage was for the pregnancy

The marriage was definitely for the pregnancy, but he had been a ladies man for decades and he got her pregnant

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.

This is all straw man argumentation. I and others have been accused of “princess worship” despite being an actual Republican as it is used in the sane world- I am deeply anti-monarchist. Anti-titles on all levels but especially for any deference to that in the US. The issue is that the salacious theories (DV, illegitimate babies) were presented as fact repeatedly with no basis, while the medical crisis plus stupid-bad photoshop opinion was treated as hopelessly naive. It’s a bad faith argument you got up there, but feel free to hug it tight.

The stuff on this page of the thread about hyperemesis in pregnancy reminds me of reading about that in Atul Gawande’s first book. He made clear how much HG wrecked one of his patients, but I never thought of how serious that could be over multiple pregnancies.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a lot of the more salacious rumors, but I am intrigued that so many commenters find it absolutely impossible that William and Kate would be anything less than almost perfect. When did princes become the paradigm of virtue, or princess become immune to things like eating disorders? Princes are stereotypically rogues because they can get away with whatever they want. Yes because it's England they have to pretend to be perfect but a ton of men pretend to be perfect while having affairs and even illegitimate children. A ton of people are crappy spouses and lots of people have eating disorders. They have to pretend like they aren't regular people, but they are. And commenters are acting like speculating that the royals have done regular-people things is some kind of massive toxicity.

This is all straw man argumentation. I and others have been accused of “princess worship” despite being an actual Republican as it is used in the sane world- I am deeply anti-monarchist. Anti-titles on all levels but especially for any deference to that in the US. The issue is that the salacious theories (DV, illegitimate babies) were presented as fact repeatedly with no basis, while the medical crisis plus stupid-bad photoshop opinion was treated as hopelessly naive. It’s a bad faith argument you got up there, but feel free to hug it tight.

The stuff on this page of the thread about hyperemesis in pregnancy reminds me of reading about that in Atul Gawande’s first book. He made clear how much HG wrecked one of his patients, but I never thought of how serious that could be over multiple pregnancies.

I had it during all three of my pregnancies too. No one has ever mentioned the effects would be long term. It was awful. Nothing like throwing up bile.
Off to see my GI I guess.

[Anonymous]

Why are we so obsessed with occupants of Kensington Palace when we need to be discussing people trying to occupy White House for next four years?

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Anonymous wrote:They’re going to have to swallow their pride and ask Harry and Meg to come back. All of the Queens kids are old and they can’t continue doing engagements the way they are right now.

Will and Kate are probably over

Pigs will fly first.

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Why are we so obsessed with occupants of Kensington Palace when we need to be discussing people trying to occupy White House for next four years?

What a great reason to start a different thread, because this one isn't it.

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Why are we so obsessed with occupants of Kensington Palace when we need to be discussing people trying to occupy White House for next four years?

Do we need to be discussing them though? Choosing between a current president and a former president who are both known quantities. Very close in age. I know who I'm voting for and I don't really like contemplating what happens if the other guy wins, but I have 7+ months to prepare myself.

Meanwhile, discussing the Princess of Wales and the weird palace behavior surrounding her absence from public life is like a puzzle I can give my brain to work on to keep me from stressing out too much about the election. I know many others feel the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/0e/14/B0F26CB3-9D53-4ED2-869C-58D21BD62E7B/IMG_1347.jpeg

Sub stack and other sources reporting ileostomy with perforated bowel. I obviously don’t know if that is true, but that still tracks with any of the speculated ED/DV/Crohn’s, since there are many reasons for perforated bowel, including trauma to the abdomen, forceful vomiting, Crohns (to name a few — other GI issues could also cause it). Either way all of that sounds absolutely horrible no matter what the reason is.

A few dozen pages back I posted this link, now reposting https://www.hyperemesis.org/about-hyperemesis-gravidarum/

HG is not just bad morning sickness. It is a debilitating illness that wreaks havoc on the body and causes long term health issues and can damage the GI tract and other organs as well.

Kate probably has had surgery to repair HG related damage to her GI tract. If I recollect correctly, she suffered HG in all three pregnancies - that’s a lot for even a very healthy body to endure.

I have much more respect for Kate’s toughness having educated myself about HG.


Beyond that I would only say that this thread and all the other media it links to is all the reason I would ever need to not ever want to be a privileged wealthy princess to a man about to inherit the crown.

Give me my ordinary life 100x over.

I had hyperemesis twice. It was horrendous but no issues now. It stops once the baby is born and is not linked to long term gi issues on its own