FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is Waples Mill Elementary staying Franklin Middle and Oakton High School?

Greenbrier East going to Oakton makes no sense. Waples Mill is closer

Thoughts?

The leaked map says WMES moves from Oakton HS to Fairfax HS. So essentially, it is a swap with Greenbrier East. Even though Oakton HS just had an expansion, they won’t be able to accommodate the families in the existing zone, plus the new developments to be built at Metro West and AT&T, plus addition of Greenbrier East

There it is. That’s where this is coming from for Waples.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/02/plan-for-mixed-use-development-at-atts-oakton-campus-officially-submitted/

FCPS just tipped their hand. FCPS is favoring a speculative 1000 new rental units over a long-established community.

I wonder who on the board has received donations from the entity behind this development? I would also be interested to know what contact this entity has had with FCPS as part of this boundary review. You can rent apartments for a lot more if they feed into Oakton high rather than Fairfax high….

This is how developers work. Look at the casino push in Tysons. The comments “Waples will lose this fight” seemed to be informed by insights into the type influence that these developers have over the elected school board officials and FCPS officials. All of this “community outreach” is window dressing to cover for a decision that was already made based on corrupt influence.

All of this will come out in discovery.

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person, but the new development you're referring to at the former ATT site is already zoned to Oakton/Thoreau/Oakton.

You sound like someone who talks about the Tyson’s casino as “a done deal.” All you have done is confirmed that this development, which is not yet approved, is the basis for moving students. Nicely done. Thank you.

Students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades should not be moved in the basis of the undue, corrupt influence of a handful of developers.

I am confused by why someone who is objecting to a potential Waples Mill ES and Greenbriar East ES boundary change to move kids out of Fairfax into Oakton and vice versa is pointing to a development in an area that is zoned to Oakton ES/Thoreau MS/Oakton HS.

Perhaps you could try harder to explain the relevance and your thought process. I thought you were suggesting this area is currently zoned to Fairfax but somehow was going to be reassigned to Oakton via boundary changes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize is it Wakefield Forest ES from woodson to Annandale, Forrestville from Langley to Herndon? Anything else?

Hunt Valley from WSHS to Lewis.

There were 2 or 3 ES said to move to Lewis and, despite what the Lewis booster on here always says, only room for 1 more school at Lewis. Especially a big school like Hunt Valley. So I’m skeptical.

Yes - it was 3 (Bren Mar Park, Weyanoke, and Hunt Valley). It made no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Waples Mill Elementary staying Franklin Middle and Oakton High School?

Greenbrier East going to Oakton makes no sense. Waples Mill is closer

Thoughts?

The leaked map says WMES moves from Oakton HS to Fairfax HS. So essentially, it is a swap with Greenbrier East. Even though Oakton HS just had an expansion, they won’t be able to accommodate the families in the existing zone, plus the new developments to be built at Metro West and AT&T, plus addition of Greenbrier East

There it is. That’s where this is coming from for Waples.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/02/plan-for-mixed-use-development-at-atts-oakton-campus-officially-submitted/

FCPS just tipped their hand. FCPS is favoring a speculative 1000 new rental units over a long-established community.

I wonder who on the board has received donations from the entity behind this development? I would also be interested to know what contact this entity has had with FCPS as part of this boundary review. You can rent apartments for a lot more if they feed into Oakton high rather than Fairfax high….

This is how developers work. Look at the casino push in Tysons. The comments “Waples will lose this fight” seemed to be informed by insights into the type influence that these developers have over the elected school board officials and FCPS officials. All of this “community outreach” is window dressing to cover for a decision that was already made based on corrupt influence.

All of this will come out in discovery.

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person, but the new development you're referring to at the former ATT site is already zoned to Oakton/Thoreau/Oakton.

You sound like someone who talks about the Tyson’s casino as “a done deal.” All you have done is confirmed that this development, which is not yet approved, is the basis for moving students. Nicely done. Thank you.

Students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades should not be moved in the basis of the undue, corrupt influence of a handful of developers.

I am confused by why someone who is objecting to a potential Waples Mill ES and Greenbriar East ES boundary change to move kids out of Fairfax into Oakton and vice versa is pointing to a development in an area that is zoned to Oakton ES/Thoreau MS/Oakton HS.

Perhaps you could try harder to explain the relevance and your thought process. I thought you were suggesting this area is currently zoned to Fairfax but somehow was going to be reassigned to Oakton via boundary changes.

I am confused why someone would prioritize maintaining the boundary on a lot with a vacant commercial building over students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades.

Maybe change the boundary on the lot where no residential structures currently exist instead? Especially when that lot is conveniently located at the intersection of 66 and 123 and would be more efficient to bus kids to Fairfax high than Waples kids?

[Anonymous]

If they try to move Waples to Fairfax, I hope Fairfax is ready for a barrage of lawsuits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Waples Mill Elementary staying Franklin Middle and Oakton High School?

Greenbrier East going to Oakton makes no sense. Waples Mill is closer

Thoughts?

The leaked map says WMES moves from Oakton HS to Fairfax HS. So essentially, it is a swap with Greenbrier East. Even though Oakton HS just had an expansion, they won’t be able to accommodate the families in the existing zone, plus the new developments to be built at Metro West and AT&T, plus addition of Greenbrier East

There it is. That’s where this is coming from for Waples.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/02/plan-for-mixed-use-development-at-atts-oakton-campus-officially-submitted/

FCPS just tipped their hand. FCPS is favoring a speculative 1000 new rental units over a long-established community.

I wonder who on the board has received donations from the entity behind this development? I would also be interested to know what contact this entity has had with FCPS as part of this boundary review. You can rent apartments for a lot more if they feed into Oakton high rather than Fairfax high….

This is how developers work. Look at the casino push in Tysons. The comments “Waples will lose this fight” seemed to be informed by insights into the type influence that these developers have over the elected school board officials and FCPS officials. All of this “community outreach” is window dressing to cover for a decision that was already made based on corrupt influence.

All of this will come out in discovery.

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person, but the new development you're referring to at the former ATT site is already zoned to Oakton/Thoreau/Oakton.

You sound like someone who talks about the Tyson’s casino as “a done deal.” All you have done is confirmed that this development, which is not yet approved, is the basis for moving students. Nicely done. Thank you.

Students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades should not be moved in the basis of the undue, corrupt influence of a handful of developers.

I am confused by why someone who is objecting to a potential Waples Mill ES and Greenbriar East ES boundary change to move kids out of Fairfax into Oakton and vice versa is pointing to a development in an area that is zoned to Oakton ES/Thoreau MS/Oakton HS.

Perhaps you could try harder to explain the relevance and your thought process. I thought you were suggesting this area is currently zoned to Fairfax but somehow was going to be reassigned to Oakton via boundary changes.

You are prioritizing “a development in an area that is zoned to Oakton ES/Thoreau MS/Oakton HS” over students in established neighborhoods. What promises did FCPS make to the developers about boundaries? Why do established neighborhoods and residents not get the same level of priority?

Redrawing the boundary on a lot for a vacant commercial building is ALWAYS less impactful than dividing established communities.

Again, why is the boundary for the empty commercial building a done deal? Why is the speculative capacity increase for this not-yet approved development given priority over existing communities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they try to move Waples to Fairfax, I hope Fairfax is ready for a barrage of lawsuits.

What would they sue over?

[Anonymous]

Do you get it now? Do you see my thought process?

The basis for sending Waples students to Fairfax high should NOT be the current boundary line for an as-yet unapproved development that currently houses a vacant commercial building. Redraw that boundary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they try to move Waples to Fairfax, I hope Fairfax is ready for a barrage of lawsuits.

What would they sue over?

I did not post this lawsuit threat. I think lawsuits are costly and unpredictable. There is no reason for lawsuits if FCPS provides communities with an opportunity for meaningful comments in response to draft proposals.

However, a lack of transparency that invites lawsuits. When citizens are left without meaningful opportunities to participate in the processes that have an immense impact on their families, sometimes they must seek redress and transparency through the courts. I am hopeful that will be entirely unnecessary.

This does not need to be an adversarial process. We all want balance and access to resources for all students in FCPS. But these boundary changes need more meaningful opportunities for community feedback and participation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Waples Mill Elementary staying Franklin Middle and Oakton High School?

Greenbrier East going to Oakton makes no sense. Waples Mill is closer

Thoughts?

The leaked map says WMES moves from Oakton HS to Fairfax HS. So essentially, it is a swap with Greenbrier East. Even though Oakton HS just had an expansion, they won’t be able to accommodate the families in the existing zone, plus the new developments to be built at Metro West and AT&T, plus addition of Greenbrier East

There it is. That’s where this is coming from for Waples.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/02/plan-for-mixed-use-development-at-atts-oakton-campus-officially-submitted/

FCPS just tipped their hand. FCPS is favoring a speculative 1000 new rental units over a long-established community.

I wonder who on the board has received donations from the entity behind this development? I would also be interested to know what contact this entity has had with FCPS as part of this boundary review. You can rent apartments for a lot more if they feed into Oakton high rather than Fairfax high….

This is how developers work. Look at the casino push in Tysons. The comments “Waples will lose this fight” seemed to be informed by insights into the type influence that these developers have over the elected school board officials and FCPS officials. All of this “community outreach” is window dressing to cover for a decision that was already made based on corrupt influence.

All of this will come out in discovery.

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person, but the new development you're referring to at the former ATT site is already zoned to Oakton/Thoreau/Oakton.

You sound like someone who talks about the Tyson’s casino as “a done deal.” All you have done is confirmed that this development, which is not yet approved, is the basis for moving students. Nicely done. Thank you.

Students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades should not be moved in the basis of the undue, corrupt influence of a handful of developers.

I am confused by why someone who is objecting to a potential Waples Mill ES and Greenbriar East ES boundary change to move kids out of Fairfax into Oakton and vice versa is pointing to a development in an area that is zoned to Oakton ES/Thoreau MS/Oakton HS.

Perhaps you could try harder to explain the relevance and your thought process. I thought you were suggesting this area is currently zoned to Fairfax but somehow was going to be reassigned to Oakton via boundary changes.

I am confused why someone would prioritize maintaining the boundary on a lot with a vacant commercial building over students who live in Oakton in neighborhoods that have attended Oakton high for decades.

Maybe change the boundary on the lot where no residential structures currently exist instead? Especially when that lot is conveniently located at the intersection of 66 and 123 and would be more efficient to bus kids to Fairfax high than Waples kids?

OK, got it. You're objecting to new development in the Oakton district, insofar as it could be viewed as contributing in some way to a potential decision to move other areas between Oakton and Fairfax.

The area in question is already zoned to Oakton, and it looks like it would be easier to get to Oakton from that site than to Fairfax. I understand the frustration over the possibility that Waples Mill could be reassigned, which seems like messing with something that didn't need to be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you get it now? Do you see my thought process?

The basis for sending Waples students to Fairfax high should NOT be the current boundary line for an as-yet unapproved development that currently houses a vacant commercial building. Redraw that boundary.

If the site was approved this month, it would still be years away. Surveys, permits, etc. Then, building and sales. It will be years and the population of both Oakton and Madison could shift downward--or upward.

But, you cannot take a site that is so close and send it somewhere else at this time. Way too many variables. Waples Mill and Navy kids drive by that site on the way to Oakton, I think?

[Anonymous]

She’s awful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they try to move Waples to Fairfax, I hope Fairfax is ready for a barrage of lawsuits.

On what grounds? Look, many families across the county are going to get moved. Most people won't like it, especially the ones that are moving from a school that ranks higher to a school that ranks lower. There's overcapacity and undercapacity that needs to be fixed. This is from someone who will likely have her child shifted at his junior year in high school from one of the best schools in the county to one of the (if not the) worst in the county. I've been involved with my citizens association, written to the school board, written to the school administration trying to make my plea. But my house is equidistant to a number of high schools. Maybe my child will have to move. Maybe he won't. There isn't much more I can do. Who exactly are you suing? We were never guaranteed a specific high school when we bought our house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you get it now? Do you see my thought process?

The basis for sending Waples students to Fairfax high should NOT be the current boundary line for an as-yet unapproved development that currently houses a vacant commercial building. Redraw that boundary.

If the site was approved this month, it would still be years away. Surveys, permits, etc. Then, building and sales. It will be years and the population of both Oakton and Madison could shift downward--or upward.

But, you cannot take a site that is so close and send it somewhere else at this time. Way too many variables. Waples Mill and Navy kids drive by that site on the way to Oakton, I think?

If the site is years away, why make it basis for boundary changes now? It is a vacant commercial building. Yes, you are correct, “Waples Mill and Navy kids drive by that site on the way to Oakton”. Real students who live in established Oakton neighborhoods should not be sent to Fairfax high in favor of this development.

This push-back reveals that this development is REALLY important to someone at FCPS. Why? Why is that boundary being prioritized over established neighborhoods?

The trip from the AT&T site to Fairfax high is straight down 123, then left on 50. Super. Efficient. Bussing.

It is also a straight shot (2.4 miles away) to Katherine Johnson middle school. By contrast, Thoreau is 6.4 miles away, on the other side of Vienna.

So what makes more sense for that site? Option 1: Oakton/Thoreau/Oakton, or Option 2: Oakton/Katherine Johnson/Fairfax High?

[Anonymous]

Look at Google maps. Compare options 1 and 2. You will see that the “basis” for moving Waples is not applying the same metrics to the lot with the vacant commercial building.

A new development could establish new traditions and connections, locally, with Oakton/Katherine Johnson/Fairfax High. Those schools are right down the road from the new development. The development, Oakton Elementary and Oakton/Katherine Johnson are all close together. Isn’t that the goal of this review?

Waples could maintain its established community connections with no boundary change. Why is this option a problem?

[Anonymous]

Oakton momma going crazy!!!