I’m a liberal democrat horrified by the current Dr Seuss drama and normalization of censorship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

Please. Then why have any cultural norms at all? Things change. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

There’s a low-t beta on this thread posting from his mom’s basement who has listened to a couple Jordan Peterson podcasts and now feels he must do something to save Dr. Seuss from what he has determined to be “cancel culture” and “postmodern” thought. To him this issue is a personal attack on his own existence even though he owns none of the books. After all, who’d have children with him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

The publisher suspended printing more copies of books that were not selling.

There will always be demand for Cat in the Hat, Green Eggs and Ham, Horton Hears a Who, The Lorax, and the like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

Please. Then why have any cultural norms at all? Things change. Grow up.

Of course they do. But what if some people don't agree with the changes? Your answer to tell them to shut up and go away. That's a HUGE change from just 10 years ago. People used to talk about these and nobody was told to shutup for differing opinions. I think that's an awful change and so I will not shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Is Ebay a government entity?

If not, it isn't censorship, its capitalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you! You got my point!

Your side is doing the exact same thing. All you did here was get a publisher to join you. The other side, in their own subjectivity are unhappy, but shouldn't their own feelings account for something, somehow?

I think those feelings should count in way that still honors your feelings. And someday they will. But that would require both of you to have empathy for people you currently hate.

Thar's my point. Pictures in or out, I don't care. Stop the hate.

No, the publisher announced, after years of internal deliberation, that they were going to stop printing copies of their lowest selling titles. That is a business decision, and you are falling for the tripe that this is somehow cancel culture. NO! The cancelling already happened because people stopped buying these titles in such numbers that the publisher decided they didn't want to waste the paper, time and warehouse space to publish them anymore.

And YOU want to force them to continue. THAT is socialism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

You mean the way Trump cancelled Karl Rove yesterday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you! You got my point!

Your side is doing the exact same thing. All you did here was get a publisher to join you. The other side, in their own subjectivity are unhappy, but shouldn't their own feelings account for something, somehow?

I think those feelings should count in way that still honors your feelings. And someday they will. But that would require both of you to have empathy for people you currently hate.

Thar's my point. Pictures in or out, I don't care. Stop the hate.

No, the publisher announced, after years of internal deliberation, that they were going to stop printing copies of their lowest selling titles. That is a business decision, and you are falling for the tripe that this is somehow cancel culture. NO! The cancelling already happened because people stopped buying these titles in such numbers that the publisher decided they didn't want to waste the paper, time and warehouse space to publish them anymore.

And YOU want to force them to continue. THAT is socialism.

Actually it wasn’t purely because the titles weren’t big sellers—they also just wanted to stop selling stuff that they felt was problematic. That’s totally fine too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

You mean the way Trump cancelled Karl Rove yesterday?

No no, you've got it all wrong. Only ~woke leftists~ cancel people and things. Republicans are just being reasonable patriots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

Please. Then why have any cultural norms at all? Things change. Grow up.

Of course they do. But what if some people don't agree with the changes? Your answer to tell them to shut up and go away. That's a HUGE change from just 10 years ago. People used to talk about these and nobody was told to shutup for differing opinions. I think that's an awful change and so I will not shut up.

No, actually. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m responding to an OP that is angry that someone dared to make a decision that was based on opinions different than her own. I’m not the problem. But people like you, who think your hands are clean? Are actually fostering the resentment. That’s sad.

[Anonymous]

It's a national travesty. How ever will my Asian American children fare in this world without access to this precious literature. The lessons they can learn from slant eyed creatures and Chinamen eating with sticks will be no more, and this country will go to hell bc of it. I'm just so sad and don't know how I will move on from this loss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a low-t beta on this thread posting from his mom’s basement who has listened to a couple Jordan Peterson podcasts and now feels he must do something to save Dr. Seuss from what he has determined to be “cancel culture” and “postmodern” thought. To him this issue is a personal attack on his own existence even though he owns none of the books. After all, who’d have children with him?

Oh brother. You pretty clever to figure out the Jordan Peterson connection, but I think Jordan Peterson gets too much wrong to be of any use. What he gets right, he gets garbled from other people. You heard bad things about him and he sounds crazy so he must be bad. But you can't actually tell me what's wrong with what I said either. So you came up with this fancy insult that says nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a low-t beta on this thread posting from his mom’s basement who has listened to a couple Jordan Peterson podcasts and now feels he must do something to save Dr. Seuss from what he has determined to be “cancel culture” and “postmodern” thought. To him this issue is a personal attack on his own existence even though he owns none of the books. After all, who’d have children with him?

Oh brother. You pretty clever to figure out the Jordan Peterson connection, but I think Jordan Peterson gets too much wrong to be of any use. What he gets right, he gets garbled from other people. You heard bad things about him and he sounds crazy so he must be bad. But you can't actually tell me what's wrong with what I said either. So you came up with this fancy insult that says nothing.

Oh it says something alright. You’re just to dense to get it.

DP

[Anonymous]

If no one cares about your opinions it’s because you’ve fallen so far behind the times that you aren’t even relevant anymore. You’re like the creepy old uncle at thanksgiving dinner, cracking racist jokes that no one finds funny, so they change the subject and avoid eye contact with you. We aren’t telling you to shut up or go away, but if you ask me why I’m not laughing and I’m sending my kid to the other room, I’ll tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/ebay-removes-discontinued-dr-seuss-books-1573824%3famp=1

eBay won’t let you sell or buy the handful of Seuss books because they’ve been deemed offensive.

This is the ripple effect. While the Seuss publishers can make a business decision not to publish, the reality is the accompanying rhetoric has an impact. The takeaway is racism, and it will likely impact the entire catalogue.

Let’s see how book sales of the cat in the hat do year over year moving forward. My guess is there will be a dramatic decrease because most people won’t want to inadvertently offend anyone.

Next it will be Babar. Then Curious George. Old TV shows and movies will continue to disappear. People will continue to be fired for saying the wrong thing on social media. Witch Hunts do not end on their own.

Please. Then why have any cultural norms at all? Things change. Grow up.

Of course they do. But what if some people don't agree with the changes? Your answer to tell them to shut up and go away. That's a HUGE change from just 10 years ago. People used to talk about these and nobody was told to shutup for differing opinions. I think that's an awful change and so I will not shut up.

So lets pretend that you fought hard for something meaningful to you. Like lobbying against slavery. You finally produce enough societal change and society in general no longer condones slavery. There are pockets of people who are upset by the change. They say their way of life is being cancelled and that they should be allowed to express their opposition to the societal changes. Fine. But do you really expect former slaves and those who find the practice reprehensible to sympathize with them? Do you expect those that "won" the societal battle to spend all their time nurturing the grievances of the few? Incidentally, this is what we tried to do post civil war, and it has been a disaster for the country.

The people that feel that something they cherish was taken away from them should be allowed to express their feelings - like the OP. What they are not entitled to, however, is coddling from others.