"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

Is it? Seems like there are some that want to stay home indefinitely. It will always be “too soon” for someone.

Name them.

Pretty much every teacher and daycare teacher for starters. Teachers unions will come out hard against reopening.

Are you an drugs or something?

The preschool teachers and daycare workers I know are wondering how they are going to live and praying this gets solved by fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

Is it? Seems like there are some that want to stay home indefinitely. It will always be “too soon” for someone.

Name them.

Pretty much every teacher and daycare teacher for starters. Teachers unions will come out hard against reopening.

I can't imagine why a daycare teacher or teacher in a school - which are petri dishes to begin with - don't want to be more critically exposed to kids, and their families, or worse, they don't want to expose the kids or their families themselves.

How about you go do it first?

[Anonymous]

Don't know how they managed it, but it looks like Boeing's employees are going to be a pretty large batch of guinea pigs in this experiment.

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/article242134566.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't know how they managed it, but it looks like Boeing's employees are going to be a pretty large batch of guinea pigs in this experiment.

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/article242134566.html

It’s the company that dyes everything wrong. Truly remarkable.

[Anonymous]

Feds will be masked in Trump’s plan—cloth masks have to be approved by management.

[Anonymous]

So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

If they had any sense, they would. I mean Italy warned the world what was coming for them. Good leaders listened and prepared.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

If they had any sense, they would. I mean Italy warned the world what was coming for them. Good leaders listened and prepared.

But they would not. Guaranteed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

If they had any sense, they would. I mean Italy warned the world what was coming for them. Good leaders listened and prepared.

But they would not. Guaranteed.

By your reasoning Montana should "open up" and let alot of people die. Is that really what you are arguing for?

[Anonymous]

I tend to think that some actual members of the working class might reasonably want reopenings for reasons that have little or nothing to do with GOP CEOs’ stock holdings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

If they had any sense, they would. I mean Italy warned the world what was coming for them. Good leaders listened and prepared.

But they would not. Guaranteed.

By your reasoning Montana should "open up" and let alot of people die. Is that really what you are arguing for?

The governors can do what they want.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that some actual members of the working class might reasonably want reopenings for reasons that have little or nothing to do with GOP CEOs’ stock holdings.

You should find an actual member of the working class and ask them. I guarantee that you are not one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if it was Montana that had NYC Covid-19 numbers, would NYC shut down their economy?

If they had any sense, they would. I mean Italy warned the world what was coming for them. Good leaders listened and prepared.

But they would not. Guaranteed.

By your reasoning Montana should "open up" and let alot of people die. Is that really what you are arguing for?

The governors can do what they want.

Then why is Trump trying to pressure them to do what he wants? ("LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" etc.)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that some actual members of the working class might reasonably want reopenings for reasons that have little or nothing to do with GOP CEOs’ stock holdings.

You should find an actual member of the working class and ask them. I guarantee that you are not one.

only educated elite that look down on workers

should have gone to harvard

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Here are a few things that I think are readily apparent:

1) Without a vaccine, near universal testing, or sweeping use of PPE, "opening up" will spread the coronavirus. We don't have to guess about this. Just look at the Smithfield Foods meat processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Nearly 600 employees have tested positive for COVID-19. In addition, 135 others have caught it from those employees. The plant has now been forced to close.

2) Many of the loudest voices calling for "opening up" will not be putting themselves at risk. Higher income folks will continue to telework and socially distance themselves. Trump and Pence dispute the need for widespread testing, but require anyone coming into contact with them be tested beforehand. This sort of hypocrisy will extend throughout the ruling class. "Opening up" means telling working folks to risk their lives for the stock portfolios of those who will remain safely protected.

3) It is true that job losses and economic suffering are being caused by the shutdown. The impact of this can be reduced through government assistance. There is no cure for death.

4) Trump, by offering public support for those protesting shutdown polices, is willing to sacrifice even his own supporters. Similarly, with deaths heavily weighted toward the elderly, Trump willingly endangers the most dependable source of Republican votes.

5) The "original sin" of the US response to COVID-19 was the failure to introduce widespread testing. This, combined with a lost six weeks while Trump attempted to deny the reality of the epidemic, has caused a deep setback for the US response and led to countless unnecessary deaths. Trump is simultaneously pushing testing responsibility to governors and supporting protests against those same governors. He may well have calculated that renewed disease outbreaks in Democratic-led states would help him politically. He is desperate to place blame on everyone from mayors, governors, and members of Congress, to the WHO, or to the media, but will accept no responsibility himself. He is driven by political expediency and willing to sacrifice lives in the process.

The bottom line is that if someone wants to "open up", tell them to go first. Don't put yourself at risk for someone else's stock portfolio or Trump's political goals.

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