"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The country can "open up" all it wants. While there is no vaccine, and there are 60-70+ of the country wanting to continue to bunker in, and NY/IL/CA are still "closed," the GDP and full economic power will not return. There is nothing that Trump or the deranged "open it now" people can do about that.

You are crazy.

Only your weird liberal friends, PP. EVERYONE I know is chomping at the bit to get out and get going.

Everyone wants to get back to normal dummy.

[Anonymous]

There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know if this will ever be possible to analyze, but we are throwing a lot of money at this thing and I wonder how much $$ will be spent per life, so to speak. The model estimates are all over the place but say if 100k ultimately die vs. the 1 million with no social distancing. 2 trillion stimulus so far to combat the virus and economic fallout from social distancing. Makes me think we could be tacking all of these other problems (like climate change and universal healthcare) that are always branded as too expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this will ever be possible to analyze, but we are throwing a lot of money at this thing and I wonder how much $$ will be spent per life, so to speak. The model estimates are all over the place but say if 100k ultimately die vs. the 1 million with no social distancing. 2 trillion stimulus so far to combat the virus and economic fallout from social distancing. Makes me think we could be tacking all of these other problems (like climate change and universal healthcare) that are always branded as too expensive.

The bailouts are mostly in the form of loans on favorable terms. The PPP is ostensibly forgivable but a huge chunk won’t get forgiven, as the terms are quite onerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this will ever be possible to analyze, but we are throwing a lot of money at this thing and I wonder how much $$ will be spent per life, so to speak. The model estimates are all over the place but say if 100k ultimately die vs. the 1 million with no social distancing. 2 trillion stimulus so far to combat the virus and economic fallout from social distancing. Makes me think we could be tacking all of these other problems (like climate change and universal healthcare) that are always branded as too expensive.

The bailouts are mostly in the form of loans on favorable terms. The PPP is ostensibly forgivable but a huge chunk won’t get forgiven, as the terms are quite onerous.

I don’t think a lot of these small businesses will ever be able to repay the loans. This isn’t like the automakers bailout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

Other areas have more diversified economies. Not as many people can wait on their couches, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that DMV feds will be the guinea pigs. Trump will tell them to pull themselves up their bootstraps and get back to their offices some time in May. OPM and sycophantic managers will say, “yes, sir.” That will obviously involve Metro. He’s the same guy who yelled, really weirdly about one option of “Riding it out, like a cowboy.” Unionized feds can’t strike.

New poster. This post above voices my fear--that Feds will be ordered back to their offices "to set an example" etc. And if that happens, contractors on federal contracts, the ones who work at fed locations, would probably also be ordered back to those worksites, so they don't look bad to their federal program managers. That'll be two groups of employees to be Guinea pigs and spread the virus around their offices, then back into their homes and by extension into their communities. All because Trump and his suck-up Cabinet will want to make examples of the one workforce they can truly control, and which they also happen to loathe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that DMV feds will be the guinea pigs. Trump will tell them to pull themselves up their bootstraps and get back to their offices some time in May. OPM and sycophantic managers will say, “yes, sir.” That will obviously involve Metro. He’s the same guy who yelled, really weirdly about one option of “Riding it out, like a cowboy.” Unionized feds can’t strike.

New poster. This post above voices my fear--that Feds will be ordered back to their offices "to set an example" etc. And if that happens, contractors on federal contracts, the ones who work at fed locations, would probably also be ordered back to those worksites, so they don't look bad to their federal program managers. That'll be two groups of employees to be Guinea pigs and spread the virus around their offices, then back into their homes and by extension into their communities. All because Trump and his suck-up Cabinet will want to make examples of the one workforce they can truly control, and which they also happen to loathe.

You got it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this will ever be possible to analyze, but we are throwing a lot of money at this thing and I wonder how much $$ will be spent per life, so to speak. The model estimates are all over the place but say if 100k ultimately die vs. the 1 million with no social distancing. 2 trillion stimulus so far to combat the virus and economic fallout from social distancing. Makes me think we could be tacking all of these other problems (like climate change and universal healthcare) that are always branded as too expensive.

The point is, some things have been branded as too expensive but now that the GOP has proven that there is no such thing as too expensive, the hypocrisy has been exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

Is it? Seems like there are some that want to stay home indefinitely. It will always be “too soon” for someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

Is it? Seems like there are some that want to stay home indefinitely. It will always be “too soon” for someone.

Name them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a lot of competing viewpoints on what the endgame is here. For some it’s obviously a vaccine, and we should all stay home until then. I don’t think that is realistic for a number of reasons. I thought Hogan’s plan was practical and included straightforward goals. There needs to be more testing and shoring up of hospitals. Flattening year curve still means that most of us will likely be exposed, just over a longer period of time. Those that don’t want to risk being exposed at all should continue take extra precautions.

But yes, other states are in fact “going first“, so we will be able to see how it turns out for them before the DMV really opens up.

This is EVERYBODY's PLAN, it's just that one side wants to get moving now, testing and supplies be damned. Not smart.

Is it? Seems like there are some that want to stay home indefinitely. It will always be “too soon” for someone.

Name them.

Pretty much every teacher and daycare teacher for starters. Teachers unions will come out hard against reopening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that DMV feds will be the guinea pigs. Trump will tell them to pull themselves up their bootstraps and get back to their offices some time in May. OPM and sycophantic managers will say, “yes, sir.” That will obviously involve Metro. He’s the same guy who yelled, really weirdly about one option of “Riding it out, like a cowboy.” Unionized feds can’t strike.

New poster. This post above voices my fear--that Feds will be ordered back to their offices "to set an example" etc. And if that happens, contractors on federal contracts, the ones who work at fed locations, would probably also be ordered back to those worksites, so they don't look bad to their federal program managers. That'll be two groups of employees to be Guinea pigs and spread the virus around their offices, then back into their homes and by extension into their communities. All because Trump and his suck-up Cabinet will want to make examples of the one workforce they can truly control, and which they also happen to loathe.

You got it!

And to follow up, it’s happening! Trump just ordered federal agencies to begin preparing to return workers to their offices. He wants this ramped up asap! It’ll be phased, but the feds will be among the first in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tend to think that DMV feds will be the guinea pigs. Trump will tell them to pull themselves up their bootstraps and get back to their offices some time in May. OPM and sycophantic managers will say, “yes, sir.” That will obviously involve Metro. He’s the same guy who yelled, really weirdly about one option of “Riding it out, like a cowboy.” Unionized feds can’t strike.

New poster. This post above voices my fear--that Feds will be ordered back to their offices "to set an example" etc. And if that happens, contractors on federal contracts, the ones who work at fed locations, would probably also be ordered back to those worksites, so they don't look bad to their federal program managers. That'll be two groups of employees to be Guinea pigs and spread the virus around their offices, then back into their homes and by extension into their communities. All because Trump and his suck-up Cabinet will want to make examples of the one workforce they can truly control, and which they also happen to loathe.

You got it!

And to follow up, it’s happening! Trump just ordered federal agencies to begin preparing to return workers to their offices. He wants this ramped up asap! It’ll be phased, but the feds will be among the first in.

To further add, there’s substantial discretion fue managers, but c’mon, let’s get real, many will just want to please The Leader.