APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Those are all aspects of public education that Arlingtonians value and are willing to pay for.

The county wants a fairly desirable school system. Not “the best” or they’d be putting even more money into it.


Only 22% of Arlington households have minor children. 20% of Arlington citizens are 55+. I wouldn't be so confident in your assumption that "Arlingtonians" have any kind of consensus about what resources we should be putting into schools, and at the expense of which other groups' interests.


Good points. Again, minor children are entitled to a free, public education. 55+, are not entitled to a community center. See the big, huge, wonderful space that could have been a county-wide, accessible choice school next to barrett? It's us, providing free entertainment to the 55+ers with over a mil in home equity.


And those students are getting an education, even if we don’t build another elementary school, so what people are “entitled” to isn’t all that relevant.


Like, physically where are they going to get that education without another elementary school? I’m pretty sure the Virginia highlands cc is going to be an elemntary school within 10 years. Once the boomer bulge shuffles off to Sunrise, the portion of the population that won’t get more social security and Medicare benefits that they paid for, and will have to work into their 70s to get anything at all, will do what’s right, build another school and think about the generations to come instead of just their own wants.
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Those are all aspects of public education that Arlingtonians value and are willing to pay for.

The county wants a fairly desirable school system. Not “the best” or they’d be putting even more money into it.


Only 22% of Arlington households have minor children. 20% of Arlington citizens are 55+. I wouldn't be so confident in your assumption that "Arlingtonians" have any kind of consensus about what resources we should be putting into schools, and at the expense of which other groups' interests.


Good points. Again, minor children are entitled to a free, public education. 55+, are not entitled to a community center. See the big, huge, wonderful space that could have been a county-wide, accessible choice school next to barrett? It's us, providing free entertainment to the 55+ers with over a mil in home equity.


And those students are getting an education, even if we don’t build another elementary school, so what people are “entitled” to isn’t all that relevant.


Like, physically where are they going to get that education without another elementary school? I’m pretty sure the Virginia highlands cc is going to be an elemntary school within 10 years. Once the boomer bulge shuffles off to Sunrise, the portion of the population that won’t get more social security and Medicare benefits that they paid for, and will have to work into their 70s to get anything at all, will do what’s right, build another school and think about the generations to come instead of just their own wants.


How did a thread about option school moves devolve into boomer insults?

Never change, dcum.
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Those are all aspects of public education that Arlingtonians value and are willing to pay for.

The county wants a fairly desirable school system. Not “the best” or they’d be putting even more money into it.


Only 22% of Arlington households have minor children. 20% of Arlington citizens are 55+. I wouldn't be so confident in your assumption that "Arlingtonians" have any kind of consensus about what resources we should be putting into schools, and at the expense of which other groups' interests.


Good points. Again, minor children are entitled to a free, public education. 55+, are not entitled to a community center. See the big, huge, wonderful space that could have been a county-wide, accessible choice school next to barrett? It's us, providing free entertainment to the 55+ers with over a mil in home equity.


And those students are getting an education, even if we don’t build another elementary school, so what people are “entitled” to isn’t all that relevant.


Like, physically where are they going to get that education without another elementary school? I’m pretty sure the Virginia highlands cc is going to be an elemntary school within 10 years. Once the boomer bulge shuffles off to Sunrise, the portion of the population that won’t get more social security and Medicare benefits that they paid for, and will have to work into their 70s to get anything at all, will do what’s right, build another school and think about the generations to come instead of just their own wants.


How did a thread about option school moves devolve into boomer insults?

Never change, dcum.

PP is very ignorant and doesn’t understand that senior citizens aren’t the other users of community centers.
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Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.
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Pp: we had two elementary schools in Arlingotn because we moved.
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Yeah, they are. Sorry grandma.


NP, not a grandma and with 4 kids in APS. None of those are core government functions.
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Anonymous wrote:If I were a retired person interested in community centers, I would be really jazzed about having access to one or two really good ones rather than several depressing ones. That plus the aquatic centers and tracks at the high schools would be good, solid options.

I agree that one of the community centers would be a reasonable sacrifice for a much needed school, especially if resources could be beefed up at the other community centers.


Why not combined schools/community centeres - like TJ?


I think that could be a partial solution, but they could only function as community centers outside of school hours.

Not necessarily.
Even at TJ there is overlap. Adults are accessing the fitness center/pickle ball even while gym classes are going on. It's a full-sized track; so it's a large space curtained off down the middle for students/community.

A new combined facility can also be designed to better accommodate more overlap.
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Yeah, they are. Sorry grandma.


DP - and nowhere near being a grandma - No, they aren't.
THey are Arlington expected entitlements, not legal obligations.
The entitlement is for a free public education. Not a free best-in-the-state-or-country education.
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Those are all aspects of public education that Arlingtonians value and are willing to pay for.

The county wants a fairly desirable school system. Not “the best” or they’d be putting even more money into it.


Only 22% of Arlington households have minor children. 20% of Arlington citizens are 55+. I wouldn't be so confident in your assumption that "Arlingtonians" have any kind of consensus about what resources we should be putting into schools, and at the expense of which other groups' interests.


Good points. Again, minor children are entitled to a free, public education. 55+, are not entitled to a community center. See the big, huge, wonderful space that could have been a county-wide, accessible choice school next to barrett? It's us, providing free entertainment to the 55+ers with over a mil in home equity.


And those students are getting an education, even if we don’t build another elementary school, so what people are “entitled” to isn’t all that relevant.


Like, physically where are they going to get that education without another elementary school? I’m pretty sure the Virginia highlands cc is going to be an elemntary school within 10 years. Once the boomer bulge shuffles off to Sunrise, the portion of the population that won’t get more social security and Medicare benefits that they paid for, and will have to work into their 70s to get anything at all, will do what’s right, build another school and think about the generations to come instead of just their own wants.


How did a thread about option school moves devolve into boomer insults?

Never change, dcum.

PP is very ignorant and doesn’t understand that senior citizens aren’t the other users of community centers.

Uh, yes, seniors do use community centers. Quite a bit.
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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.


I wonder if the extra bus is part of the additional funding for Title I?

Is Key Title I?

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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.


I wonder if the extra bus is part of the additional funding for Title I?

Is Key Title I?



No

“All eight Arlington elementary schools that receive Title I funding (Abingdon, Barcroft, Barrett, Campbell, Carlin Springs, Drew, Hoffman Boston, and Randolph) implement a schoolwide Title I program”

https://www.apsva.us/titlei/title-i-program-model/
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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.


I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.
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So, anyway......

No, I don't think the campaign is going to work. The Key folks are very selective with their data. ATS is going to grow at McK. The saveMcK folks have so alienated the others at their school that they have very little support.
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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.


I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.


Sounds like Key has one though. Does APS pay for it or the Key PTA? If APS, why the special treatment?
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Anonymous wrote:The county should reclaim community centers. Better to have smaller, well-distributed elementary schools than places for seniors to do yoga.

Build them a fancy community center at Quincy and take back the community centers.


Let us know how you feel about that 20 or 30 years from now.


+1. The answer can't be "screw everyone but parents of school-age kids," because the county simply won't go along with that and it undermines the credibility of school advocates.


When I've taken a class at the community center I often have to drive across the county. It's easier for me and my class once a week than a family with multiple children who go daily.

What's wrong with a centrally-located community center? They scale better than elementary schools do.


How do you think that would work for elderly people who really shouldn't drive anymore but want to stay engaged, yet can't get to that centrally-located community center without riding buses for an hour each way and transferring twice?


They can continue to use the many low-cost/free transportation options that the county offers for senior citizens. Cheaper and safer than owning/driving a car.
https://aging-disability.arlingtonva.us/resources/transportation/
https://www.arlingtontransit.com/riding-art/how-to-ride/how-to-ride-for-senior-citizens/senior-center-adult-transportation-scat/


Those options are pretty limited. It's basically either reduced cost mass transit (assuming it runs near your home), or a reduced-cost shuttle service where you have to know a week in advance exactly what time you'll want to go to the community center to exercise.


Let’s be clear, public education is a core government function. Providing extracurricular programming for bored seniors isn’t.


Let's be clear, IPads, Small Class Sizes, Swimming, Montessori, Immersion, Pre-K FLES...are not core government functions.


Those are all aspects of public education that Arlingtonians value and are willing to pay for.

The county wants a fairly desirable school system. Not “the best” or they’d be putting even more money into it.


Only 22% of Arlington households have minor children. 20% of Arlington citizens are 55+. I wouldn't be so confident in your assumption that "Arlingtonians" have any kind of consensus about what resources we should be putting into schools, and at the expense of which other groups' interests.


Good points. Again, minor children are entitled to a free, public education. 55+, are not entitled to a community center. See the big, huge, wonderful space that could have been a county-wide, accessible choice school next to barrett? It's us, providing free entertainment to the 55+ers with over a mil in home equity.


And those students are getting an education, even if we don’t build another elementary school, so what people are “entitled” to isn’t all that relevant.


Like, physically where are they going to get that education without another elementary school? I’m pretty sure the Virginia highlands cc is going to be an elemntary school within 10 years. Once the boomer bulge shuffles off to Sunrise, the portion of the population that won’t get more social security and Medicare benefits that they paid for, and will have to work into their 70s to get anything at all, will do what’s right, build another school and think about the generations to come instead of just their own wants.


How did a thread about option school moves devolve into boomer insults?

Never change, dcum.

PP is very ignorant and doesn’t understand that senior citizens aren’t the other users of community centers.

Uh, yes, seniors do use community centers. Quite a bit.

The post was meant to say “only,” not “other.” Do you have a substantive point, or are you just being pedantic?
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