Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

Excuse = Because
Min’s = moms

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

Their property values are already high. They don't need or want Wootton. You don't make parents of Wootton look good with your comments.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

All the save Wootton people showed tonight is that they’d rather keep their kids in a run down gross building for 5 more years than go 3 miles to crown. For the sake of their property values and to keep their community isolated from anyone in gburg. What an embarrassment. Magruder watch your backs, you are being used.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

All the save Wootton people showed tonight is that they’d rather keep their kids in a run down gross building for 5 more years than go 3 miles to crown. For the sake of their property values and to keep their community isolated from anyone in gburg. What an embarrassment. Magruder watch your backs, you are being used.

It makes no sense they aren't concerned about their kids health.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

All the save Wootton people showed tonight is that they’d rather keep their kids in a run down gross building for 5 more years than go 3 miles to crown. For the sake of their property values and to keep their community isolated from anyone in gburg. What an embarrassment. Magruder watch your backs, you are being used.

Well, MCPS plans to use Wootton as a holding school very soon, so why can’t it fix Wootton’s immediate problems without closing it? Oh yeah, that’s right, Taylor doesn’t want his shiny new school used by all those GHS and QO kids, with the excess used as a holding school. He really wants to cover up his and MCPS’ incompetence. Heads need to roll for that and MCPS needs to find another way to fix its mistakes without closing a school that has been where it is for 56 years.

Btw, it’s not 3 miles to Crown. More like 5 miles. You also seem to want school buses and 16 year old drivers on 270 during rush hour. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

All the save Wootton people showed tonight is that they’d rather keep their kids in a run down gross building for 5 more years than go 3 miles to crown. For the sake of their property values and to keep their community isolated from anyone in gburg. What an embarrassment. Magruder watch your backs, you are being used.

Well, MCPS plans to use Wootton as a holding school very soon, so why can’t it fix Wootton’s immediate problems without closing it? Oh yeah, that’s right, Taylor doesn’t want his shiny new school used by all those GHS and QO kids, with the excess used as a holding school. He really wants to cover up his and MCPS’ incompetence. Heads need to roll for that and MCPS needs to find another way to fix its mistakes without closing a school that has been where it is for 56 years.

Btw, it’s not 3 miles to Crown. More like 5 miles. You also seem to want school buses and 16 year old drivers on 270 during rush hour. Why is that?

This is misinformation. MCPS has shared the cost of renovating Wootton to make it a holding school. They haven’t shared a timeline, and it isn’t on the current CIP. Taylor shared the $100 million price tag for the holding school to make a point about the cost savings, not to make a budget request. They don’t have the additional $100-150 million to make Wootton into a permanent school, but crucially they ALSO don’t have the first $100 million they would need to make it safe enough for kids to use temporarily.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

Why are so invested in a situation that doesn’t have any effect on you at all? By your comments you have made it clear that you are not going to Wootton so seriously, why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

I feel the need to address your concerns directly. I grew up in the Fields Road system and lived in that district throughout my childhood. However, for personal reasons, I was able to get a transfer to Frost from Ridgeview in 7th grade and then went on to Wootton for HS. I was consistently at the top of my class, got into many highly ranked private and public colleges/universities (am attending one now), took enough AP classes I was able to bank an entire semester of college, came into college having already taken multivariable calculus, etc.

Both of the kids right next door to me in my neighborhood went to the Poolesville magnet program, and there were several more high achieving kids around me in the Fields Road district. As for the ones who opted to go to the magnets at Poolesville, now that Wootton @ Crown is going to have the SMCS program, I'd assume most of these high achieving kids will stay at Wootton @ Crown Farm.

So, while you are correct that there are more disadvantaged families at Fields Road that have difficulty getting to the same place as children from the Wootton district, you are being far too categorical with your assumptions. Plenty of families from FRES CAN accomplish much more than you seem to think. I think you are also failing to consider the fact that the majority culture at Wootton @ Crown will still be made up of individuals who come from and represent the high-pressure environment of Wootton. Had I gone to QO, I am sure I would have been a good student as well; however, I believe the peer pressure of the highly academic environment of Wootton did push me to exert myself more. Given the students from SMES, DuFief, TES, Fallsmead and Lakewood will be setting the culture through their majority, it is highly likely that there will be MORE pressure created within those coming from Fields Road or Rosemont Island #8 than the latter scenario you seem to be worried about (where the inclusion of these groups will attenuate the competitiveness of Wootton).

Your personal experience does not change the current statistics of the school. Both Fields road and Rosemont are below 50% in math and reading proficiency. That’s the problem. Compare proficiency levels to any of the current Wootton feeders. So yeah you and your “neighbors” were not the norm-you were the outliers. Always have a couple of those at any low performing school-it’s the school statistics as a whole that matter.

Thank you. But now the naysayers on this thread will throw various accusations at you for stating the obvious. Wootton has been successful because its feeders are generally high performing, and this performance is associated with higher SES and/or significant parental involvement in their kids’ education. Perhaps the lower performing kids who end up at Crown will do well eventually, but the immediate effect will likely be negative compared to Wootton’s historical performance. Wootton parents want to preserve this reputation, but the naysayers can only see money and DEI.

Newsflash, many kids have high preforming kids with involved parents and higher SES. No one cares about Wootton but you all made it an issue with the protesting. Now you won and got a new school, and are still complaining. If you care about abotu reputation, then you need to look at the bad things that have happened, as some of us would never send our kids there given some of the stuff that happened there.

No school is perfect. They all have issues in one area or another. It’s a pick your poison type situation-a parent needs to decide what kind of environment they want their kids in as compared to another environment. None of them are 100% free of problems. All the schools have fights-the overwhelming majority don’t make the news. And of course some schools have more issues with violence than others. All schools have drugs-some more than others. I wanted a school for my kids that has a reputation of stellar graduation rates and great offerings for high performing kids who want to do well in school. If you would like to tell us where you decided to send your kids i’m sure we would love to find the issues with that school as well. But just like you would “never send your kids to Wootton” I would “Never send me kids To GHS” fun fact-did you know that GHS has so much teenage pregnancy that they have a special closet for baby donations that they ask the community to give donations to regularly? Imagine having a problem so big that it needs its own closet space! So yeah-they all have problems. Just different problems.

The last 10 years, even five some pretty serious things happened dc. What’s wrong the a clothing closet. A good school he,is their families.

It’s for the teenage mothers at the school. They have a program specifically for them, because there are so many of them.

Yes and serious things have happened at many other schools as well in the same time frame. That’s how it goes.

How is that a problem? Wootton parents are in denial.

Excuse teenage Min’s and dads often drop out of high school, leading to lower graduation rates - and the low SES cycle continues unbroken.

But you knew all of that but are feigning ignorance. Then again, maybe you’re not.

The fact that you had to explain to this person why teenage pregnancy is a problem should tell you everything you need to know about that poster’s priorities.

Yep. Jealousy is no way to go through life. But that PP can’t help themselves. Putting Wootton down makes them feel so superior.

You are the one creating drama. Wootton has some serious issues. You are not making Wootton parents look good. No wonder Gaithersburg families don’t want to share a school with you.

Gaithersburg families are foaming at the mouth with this opportunity-are you joking? Their property values are going to soar. Going from QO and GHS to “Wootton” is a huge deal from the other side.

Wootton has serious issues same as other schools. Except it’s also a top school.

I would never send my kid to Wootton if you looked at everything that happened the past 10 years.

you just keep posting the same comment over and over.

You keep acting like we all envy and are jealous of families in Wootton. You fail to look at the serious issues that have happened here and the failing building. Not to mention the parents representing Wootton right now.

All the save Wootton people showed tonight is that they’d rather keep their kids in a run down gross building for 5 more years than go 3 miles to crown. For the sake of their property values and to keep their community isolated from anyone in gburg. What an embarrassment. Magruder watch your backs, you are being used.

Well, MCPS plans to use Wootton as a holding school very soon, so why can’t it fix Wootton’s immediate problems without closing it? Oh yeah, that’s right, Taylor doesn’t want his shiny new school used by all those GHS and QO kids, with the excess used as a holding school. He really wants to cover up his and MCPS’ incompetence. Heads need to roll for that and MCPS needs to find another way to fix its mistakes without closing a school that has been where it is for 56 years.

Btw, it’s not 3 miles to Crown. More like 5 miles. You also seem to want school buses and 16 year old drivers on 270 during rush hour. Why is that?

This is misinformation. MCPS has shared the cost of renovating Wootton to make it a holding school. They haven’t shared a timeline, and it isn’t on the current CIP. Taylor shared the $100 million price tag for the holding school to make a point about the cost savings, not to make a budget request. They don’t have the additional $100-150 million to make Wootton into a permanent school, but crucially they ALSO don’t have the first $100 million they would need to make it safe enough for kids to use temporarily.

Montgomery County routinely funds hundreds of millions in school capital projects annually. Targeted remediation (in reality, more like $30–80M range depending on scope) is small compared to: (i) full high-school rebuilds (~$200M–$300M) and (ii) multiple simultaneous modernization projects. This means the issue is priority, not capacity.

The choice is not between moving Wootton or doing nothing. The real choice is between fixing the building responsibly or permanently dismantling a functioning school community because of deferred maintenance and a temporary dip in enrollment.