Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

OMFG Thank You!!!!! I love you!

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

get a grip. I don’t know what kind of psychodrama the sight of a bike triggers in you, but it’s really weird.

You hate it when people bring up facts that don’t fit your narrative. Sorry, bro. Facts are facts. The last cyclist killed in DC was in fact killed by another cyclist.

DP. This is obviously a tragedy, and I hope the police prosecute the surviving rider if she violated the law.

But I also don't think the fact that there was a fatal bike crash involving another bike means that's the only thing anyone needs to ever think about related to making it safer to ride a bike in D.C. You would not, for instance, say that the homicide by stabbing committed in southwest D.C. in April means the police should never worry about gun crimes.

Using this horrible death as some sort of weird cudgel or gotcha over public policy questions that long predate this incident doesn't really make it seem like you care any more about the man who died in this crash than the people you're hectoring about it.

Yes, it was a tragedy. But the bike bros love exploiting tragedies as weird cudgels when there’s a car involved, even when the cyclist was doing something illegal and objectively dangerous. The bike crowd also likes to claim that no one gets killed by cyclists. Sorry you don’t like the facts or the shoe being on the other foot.

Nice strawman with the knife murder. You must have a farm with all that straw you throw around.

Ah, so you're arguing with "the bike bros" and "the bike crowd," not with me, an actual person who supports bike lanes and also thinks the woman who killed this guy should go to jail if she broke the law. Good to have that cleared up.

You have their talking points and debate style down perfectly so apologies for getting you confused with the bike bros. Maybe it’s just impossible to make a coherent argument for your position so it’s better to rely on strawman arguments and cherry picked facts.

My position is, people who break the law and cause other people to die should be prosecuted for it. My other position is, we could use better bike infrastructure in D.C. -- not because of a rash of deaths of cyclists, but because it would make it easier and safer to ride a bike, which are public policy goals I think are worthwhile. I don't think there's any contradiction between those positions. You clearly disagree with the second one; you seem to agree with the first one. I don't think we're going to get any bike lanes installed on Connecticut Avenue, and I think the D.C. Council's attempt to hold any safety improvements up in order to get all of them is a silly tactic that won't accomplish much of anything good, but I don't think that means I can't still express a desire to have the bike lanes put in.

Incoherent, I know!

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

get a grip. I don’t know what kind of psychodrama the sight of a bike triggers in you, but it’s really weird.

You hate it when people bring up facts that don’t fit your narrative. Sorry, bro. Facts are facts. The last cyclist killed in DC was in fact killed by another cyclist.

DP. This is obviously a tragedy, and I hope the police prosecute the surviving rider if she violated the law.

But I also don't think the fact that there was a fatal bike crash involving another bike means that's the only thing anyone needs to ever think about related to making it safer to ride a bike in D.C. You would not, for instance, say that the homicide by stabbing committed in southwest D.C. in April means the police should never worry about gun crimes.

Using this horrible death as some sort of weird cudgel or gotcha over public policy questions that long predate this incident doesn't really make it seem like you care any more about the man who died in this crash than the people you're hectoring about it.

Yes, it was a tragedy. But the bike bros love exploiting tragedies as weird cudgels when there’s a car involved, even when the cyclist was doing something illegal and objectively dangerous. The bike crowd also likes to claim that no one gets killed by cyclists. Sorry you don’t like the facts or the shoe being on the other foot.

Nice strawman with the knife murder. You must have a farm with all that straw you throw around.

Ah, so you're arguing with "the bike bros" and "the bike crowd," not with me, an actual person who supports bike lanes and also thinks the woman who killed this guy should go to jail if she broke the law. Good to have that cleared up.

Okay. But how should the cycling infrastructure be changed to reduce do speeds and encourage safe practices? What sorts of traffic enforcement measures should compliment those infrastructure changes to make sure that it never happens again?

Those are good questions. I don't think I know enough about what happened in this case to answer. The fact that the man who died hit his head after falling does seem like a good argument for a helmet law, but the MPD release doesn't really have any details about the incident, nor did the news stories I've seen about it. I don't want to suggest it's his fault for dying, either

If, for instance, the guy was stopped at a light and the other rider plowed into him, that doesn't seem like an infrastructure change is needed. They were apparently going the same direction; maybe she tried to pass him and hit him instead? I've seen some near-collisions in bike lanes when that happens, so it wouldn't be a surprise. As someone who typically rides non-electric bikes, I'd be fine if e-bikes were required to travel in car lanes rather than bike lanes, but I don't know if drivers would be that excited about it.

This is a lot of cope complimented by pathetic whataboutism. Sounds like more narrow lanes to prevent passing and slow down e-bikes are the answer.

When can expect the bike activists to campaign for these changes?

Or is it more likely that the bike activists will combine the death of this cyclist into their materials to use to campaign for anti-car policies?

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The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

OMFG Thank You!!!!! I love you!

Maybe the two of you can go and make an idiotic cyclophobic baby together?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think narrower bike lanes are likely to prevent passing. They’re likelier to increase accidents like the one on Pennsylvania. Why wouldn’t WIDER bike lanes also be a fine solution to this problem that suddenly so many drivers seem so keen to solve? That way there’d be plenty of room for e-bikes to do whatever they want without hitting the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

As you see, the weirdos here glom on to a new supposedly irrefutable truth about how bikes are terrible every 5 mins. Yesterday it was to claim that curbs are against Original Vision Zero. Today is is some weird thing about how we don’t care enough about a dead e-biker?

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

As you see, the weirdos here glom on to a new supposedly irrefutable truth about how bikes are terrible every 5 mins. Yesterday it was to claim that curbs are against Original Vision Zero. Today is is some weird thing about how we don’t care enough about a dead e-biker?

Don't forget the all bikers are fat guy and the one who keeps calling everyone "bro"
Ehh who am I kidding, it's probably one troll that keeps spinning a wheel

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

As you see, the weirdos here glom on to a new supposedly irrefutable truth about how bikes are terrible every 5 mins. Yesterday it was to claim that curbs are against Original Vision Zero. Today is is some weird thing about how we don’t care enough about a dead e-biker?

Since you love to talk about safety and even use the “fear” of safety even if many view individual fears as an unreasonable basis for public policy. The fact that you don’t care about a dead cyclist - judging by the fact that only people against bike lanes on Connecticut Ave have mentioned it - raises eyebrows. Why shouldn’t it?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think narrower bike lanes are likely to prevent passing. They’re likelier to increase accidents like the one on Pennsylvania. Why wouldn’t WIDER bike lanes also be a fine solution to this problem that suddenly so many drivers seem so keen to solve? That way there’d be plenty of room for e-bikes to do whatever they want without hitting the rest of us.

Interesting analysis. Why should it not also apply to cars?

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

No one is happy about a dead cyclist. The question is why don’t you care about a dead cyclist?

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

As you see, the weirdos here glom on to a new supposedly irrefutable truth about how bikes are terrible every 5 mins. Yesterday it was to claim that curbs are against Original Vision Zero. Today is is some weird thing about how we don’t care enough about a dead e-biker?

Since you love to talk about safety and even use the “fear” of safety even if many view individual fears as an unreasonable basis for public policy. The fact that you don’t care about a dead cyclist - judging by the fact that only people against bike lanes on Connecticut Ave have mentioned it - raises eyebrows. Why shouldn’t it?

Bc you are clearly trying to use it as a gotcha when it is the only biker death from another biker in a bike lane that I'm aware of. It's a really disgusting way to try and exploit a persons death. And I hope other posters join me in ignoring you the more you continue talking about something that has nothing to do with implementation of bike lanes on CT ave, a road that averages hundreds of vehicle collisions per year

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

OMFG Thank You!!!!! I love you!

Maybe the two of you can go and make an idiotic cyclophobic baby together?

It is unlikely we would give birth to a cyclists so that probably won't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The glee of the anti-bike advocates on here over the death of the cyclist on Penn Ave is really quite sickening.

That said, I have long had issues with how some people ride e-bikes in DC. They are heavy, they are fast, and too often they are ridden in places they shouldn’t be - such as sidewalks. I could easily see my kid being killed by someone riding an e-bike too fast on a sidewalk.

E-bikes absolutely should be prohibited on sidewalks every where in the city and MPD should be empowered to seize e-bikes ridden on sidewalks. And helmets should probably be mandatory for e-bike riders. But we also need more bike lanes to get e-bike riders off the sidewalk.

No one is happy about a dead cyclist. The question is why don’t you care about a dead cyclist?

Work harder to build up your reading skills

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I would think that bike lane advocates would welcome strict enforcement of cycling regulations and establishing new ones that take into consideration all commuters not just cyclists. After all safety is what’s important here right?

sure, you can enforce a bike rider harmlessly going through a red (often this is safer for the rider, but I digress) as soon as you give tickets to every single car rolling through stop signs. Cars literally never come to a full stop unless there is cross traffic.

A bicyclist going through a stop sign at full speed is far more dangerous than a car that you think didn't technically, 100 percent completely stop at a stop sign. It's disingenuous to pretend they're the same thing.

That why there are so many people killed by bicyclists and not people driving cars. Oh nevermind, the data says it's the opposite. Huh.

There would be many more if there were more cyclists, and the last cyclist killed in DC was killed by …. ANOTHER CYCLIST.

But, bro: drivers hate you, pedestrians hate you, and even other cyclists hate you. Maybe it’s time for you ask AITA?

get a grip. I don’t know what kind of psychodrama the sight of a bike triggers in you, but it’s really weird.

You hate it when people bring up facts that don’t fit your narrative. Sorry, bro. Facts are facts. The last cyclist killed in DC was in fact killed by another cyclist.

DP. This is obviously a tragedy, and I hope the police prosecute the surviving rider if she violated the law.

But I also don't think the fact that there was a fatal bike crash involving another bike means that's the only thing anyone needs to ever think about related to making it safer to ride a bike in D.C. You would not, for instance, say that the homicide by stabbing committed in southwest D.C. in April means the police should never worry about gun crimes.

Using this horrible death as some sort of weird cudgel or gotcha over public policy questions that long predate this incident doesn't really make it seem like you care any more about the man who died in this crash than the people you're hectoring about it.

Yes, it was a tragedy. But the bike bros love exploiting tragedies as weird cudgels when there’s a car involved, even when the cyclist was doing something illegal and objectively dangerous. The bike crowd also likes to claim that no one gets killed by cyclists. Sorry you don’t like the facts or the shoe being on the other foot.

Nice strawman with the knife murder. You must have a farm with all that straw you throw around.

Ah, so you're arguing with "the bike bros" and "the bike crowd," not with me, an actual person who supports bike lanes and also thinks the woman who killed this guy should go to jail if she broke the law. Good to have that cleared up.

Okay. But how should the cycling infrastructure be changed to reduce do speeds and encourage safe practices? What sorts of traffic enforcement measures should compliment those infrastructure changes to make sure that it never happens again?

One possibility is a "waffle cone" junction. This creates a larger queuing area for people waiting at lights, that then narrows as it crosses the intersection. You wait in the "ice cream" and then proceed down the narrowing cone, and the other direction does the same with an inverted cone.

It might also be worth considering limiting e-bikes to 16ish MPH (25KM) like they do in Europe.