Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people on this thread:

1. I work on film sets- It’s totally normal to take a gun from someone, point it at another human, and pull the trigger with no expectation that they might be harmed because….protocol.

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2. Everyone else- WTAF

You're reading a different thread, friend. But it does sound like you should never try to get a job with extensive safety protocols. It would be too nerve wracking for you.

I’ve had weapons training and multiple deployments with plenty of protocols. These movie set protocols failed because they were crap to begin with.

Almost none of the protocol was followed, so I don’t think you can blame protocols.

Excuse me ma’am you’re clearly speaking to a Guns Guns Guns expert show some respect goddammit he needs this spotlight.

I’m a woman, actually. I’m also not a guns, guns, guns expert. I’ve had enough weapons training to know that if you point a gun at someone without knowing for sure whether it’s loaded, and pull the trigger, you might accidentally kill them. That’s all.

He didn't point the gun at anyone. He pointed it at the camera. Either he has lousy aim or the gun didn't shoot straight. He didn't violate your rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people on this thread:

1. I work on film sets- It’s totally normal to take a gun from someone, point it at another human, and pull the trigger with no expectation that they might be harmed because….protocol.

And

2. Everyone else- WTAF

You're reading a different thread, friend. But it does sound like you should never try to get a job with extensive safety protocols. It would be too nerve wracking for you.

I’ve had weapons training and multiple deployments with plenty of protocols. These movie set protocols failed because they were crap to begin with.

Almost none of the protocol was followed, so I don’t think you can blame protocols.

Excuse me ma’am you’re clearly speaking to a Guns Guns Guns expert show some respect goddammit he needs this spotlight.

I’m a woman, actually. I’m also not a guns, guns, guns expert. I’ve had enough weapons training to know that if you point a gun at someone without knowing for sure whether it’s loaded, and pull the trigger, you might accidentally kill them. That’s all.

He didn't point the gun at anyone. He pointed it at the camera. Either he has lousy aim or the gun didn't shoot straight. He didn't violate your rules.

Pointing a gun in the general area of someone is the same as pointing it at someone. Go to any range and point a gun near, but not at, someone and see how the range master responds.

[Anonymous]

This morning I saw an interview with a veteran film industry armorer. He turned down the job on “Rust” in pre-production because he knew they weren’t planning to follow best safety practices. He said that more than one person was taking on multiple crew roles and he said it was very concerning for someone handling the guns to have an additional job.

It sounds like having an extremely small budget lead to many poor choices and sloppy work. They cut corners. The cinematographer died because of it. With a bigger budget, they could have adequately staffed and hired experienced professionals who take their work seriously. They wanted to make a movie on the cheap and so they hired who they could get cheap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people on this thread:

1. I work on film sets- It’s totally normal to take a gun from someone, point it at another human, and pull the trigger with no expectation that they might be harmed because….protocol.

And

2. Everyone else- WTAF

You're reading a different thread, friend. But it does sound like you should never try to get a job with extensive safety protocols. It would be too nerve wracking for you.

I’ve had weapons training and multiple deployments with plenty of protocols. These movie set protocols failed because they were crap to begin with.

Almost none of the protocol was followed, so I don’t think you can blame protocols.

Excuse me ma’am you’re clearly speaking to a Guns Guns Guns expert show some respect goddammit he needs this spotlight.

I’m a woman, actually. I’m also not a guns, guns, guns expert. I’ve had enough weapons training to know that if you point a gun at someone without knowing for sure whether it’s loaded, and pull the trigger, you might accidentally kill them. That’s all.

He didn't point the gun at anyone. He pointed it at the camera. Either he has lousy aim or the gun didn't shoot straight. He didn't violate your rules.

Pointing a gun in the general area of someone is the same as pointing it at someone. Go to any range and point a gun near, but not at, someone and see how the range master responds.

Dp- thank you poster, who has no experience on a film set, for chiming in. You are the expert. You bring so much to this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This morning I saw an interview with a veteran film industry armorer. He turned down the job on “Rust” in pre-production because he knew they weren’t planning to follow best safety practices. He said that more than one person was taking on multiple crew roles and he said it was very concerning for someone handling the guns to have an additional job.

It sounds like having an extremely small budget lead to many poor choices and sloppy work. They cut corners. The cinematographer died because of it. With a bigger budget, they could have adequately staffed and hired experienced professionals who take their work seriously. They wanted to make a movie on the cheap and so they hired who they could get cheap.

Again, this circles back to the recent IA labor dispute. Wonder how many gun experts on this thread are also anti collective bargaining. I’m betting that’s a Venn diagram with some pretty large overlap.

[Anonymous]

Is it because Baldwin can no longer get major studio financing (because of his wife's grift) that the production decided to go on the cheap?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it because Baldwin can no longer get major studio financing (because of his wife's grift) that the production decided to go on the cheap?

You think his wife has anything to do with studio funding choices?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it because Baldwin can no longer get major studio financing (because of his wife's grift) that the production decided to go on the cheap?

🤦‍♀️ No.

[Anonymous]

I feel like this is also a case of hubris. The filmmakers seem to have thought that they’ve made a lot of movies and know what they’re doing, so they can take on multiple responsibilities, because hey, it’s not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So why was there a loaded gun on the set?

Guns are not a fun way to pass time people.

They should be restricted to police and soldiers who need them for their jobs. I am SO over how they are viewed in our culture!!!

Sure they are. Who TF are you to make statements like this? You don’t speak for everyone.

I am in public health, and your HOBBY is killing tens of thousands of people a year (in the US mind you, not countries that have rational regulation).

My child has to practice active shooter drills in kindergarten.

This is NO way for us to live. So yeah, I get to have a voice on this topic.

[Anonymous]

From what I've read, they were rehearsing a scene and the last words AB said before pulling the trigger was "like this?".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So why was there a loaded gun on the set?

Guns are not a fun way to pass time people.

They should be restricted to police and soldiers who need them for their jobs. I am SO over how they are viewed in our culture!!!

Sure they are. Who TF are you to make statements like this? You don’t speak for everyone.

I am in public health, and your HOBBY is killing tens of thousands of people a year (in the US mind you, not countries that have rational regulation).

My child has to practice active shooter drills in kindergarten.

This is NO way for us to live. So yeah, I get to have a voice on this topic.

Way to dance around your comment. We’re talking about a fun way to pass the time. Not about gun violence. If you want to talk about that, it’s a separate issue. My hobby of going to the range is killing no one.

[Anonymous]

Do we actually know that he pulled the trigger? I don't think that has been established. He was practicing unholstering the gun. Doesn't mean he fired it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people on this thread:

1. I work on film sets- It’s totally normal to take a gun from someone, point it at another human, and pull the trigger with no expectation that they might be harmed because….protocol.

And

2. Everyone else- WTAF

You're reading a different thread, friend. But it does sound like you should never try to get a job with extensive safety protocols. It would be too nerve wracking for you.

I’ve had weapons training and multiple deployments with plenty of protocols. These movie set protocols failed because they were crap to begin with.

Almost none of the protocol was followed, so I don’t think you can blame protocols.

Excuse me ma’am you’re clearly speaking to a Guns Guns Guns expert show some respect goddammit he needs this spotlight.

I’m a woman, actually. I’m also not a guns, guns, guns expert. I’ve had enough weapons training to know that if you point a gun at someone without knowing for sure whether it’s loaded, and pull the trigger, you might accidentally kill them. That’s all.

He didn't point the gun at anyone. He pointed it at the camera. Either he has lousy aim or the gun didn't shoot straight. He didn't violate your rules.

Pointing a gun in the general area of someone is the same as pointing it at someone. Go to any range and point a gun near, but not at, someone and see how the range master responds.

This statement is completely true, but I think there's a disconnect here between gun safety for people who are firing/planning to fire live weapons and the safety standards for prop guns that are not supposed to have ammo in them, or ammo anywhere on set. We can argue all day long, but the truth is that the same safety standards that you have on a gun range have not applied on movie sets up to this point, period. I'd argue that they should and likely will if operable weapons are even allowed on sets anymore. There were obviously a lot of safety issues here regardless of what Baldwin did or not. I just heard this morning that live ammunition was found on set, which is a huge safety issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From what I've read, they were rehearsing a scene and the last words AB said before pulling the trigger was "like this?".

Were the cameras rolling?