PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

[Anonymous]

^ Getting rid of standards and testing won't make the poor kids read better either, in fact makes the problem worse, because it just sweeps the problem under the carpet and makes it even less likely to get funding and community support needed to help solve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

So, because you claim to be liberal, that means your experience counts and no one else's does? You are talk about he differences between schools under Common Core and NCLB--but you have given no examples that I have read. And, I'm not clear do you mean the differences before NCLB or are you comparing NCLB and Common Core or what? This makes no sense.

Wow. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. You are the one who has dismissed and discounted my experience, whereas I am presenting an analysis and conclusion based on BOTH my experience AND your experience. Yes, I *HAVE* indeed given examples of differences in schools and how they do things.

Here's the comparison of experiences, once again: A.) On this thread, we've heard again and again, the anti-CCers talking about excessive and inordinate amounts of time prepping for NCLB testing, teaching to the test, putting kids through WEEKS of disruption, whereas B.) our own experience is completely different, DC's school does not "teach to the test" and spent ZERO hours on test prep, other than part of a study hall session to walk through test format and process, and that the only disruptions were the two days of actual testing, where half of the day was still regular curriculum with some modifications.

That's not about my kid (as the PP tried claiming with the specious "30% of students" claim), that's about my kid's school.

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

They are having a "different experience." Let me guess....it's school stuffed with high income white kids, little diversity, and not a center for special education programs.

[Anonymous]

Getting rid of standards and testing won't make the poor kids read better either, in fact makes the problem worse, because it just sweeps the problem under the carpet and makes it even less likely to get funding and community support needed to help solve it.

The unintended consequences have become an entrenched problem. Maybe not at your school, but at way too many.

The solution is to have standards (of course) as we always have, but to stop the mandated federal testing. Instead of the testing that is pointed toward the standards in such specific and narrow ways, have testing that is broader and can be used to get the funding that is needed as well. This is possible. And we need fewer, simpler, and shorter tests. These tests are really not helping teachers to be better teachers (even in the wonderful schools that have great CC and testing implementation).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

So, because you claim to be liberal, that means your experience counts and no one else's does? You are talk about he differences between schools under Common Core and NCLB--but you have given no examples that I have read. And, I'm not clear do you mean the differences before NCLB or are you comparing NCLB and Common Core or what? This makes no sense.

Wow. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. You are the one who has dismissed and discounted my experience, whereas I am presenting an analysis and conclusion based on BOTH my experience AND your experience. Yes, I *HAVE* indeed given examples of differences in schools and how they do things.

Here's the comparison of experiences, once again: A.) On this thread, we've heard again and again, the anti-CCers talking about excessive and inordinate amounts of time prepping for NCLB testing, teaching to the test, putting kids through WEEKS of disruption, whereas B.) our own experience is completely different, DC's school does not "teach to the test" and spent ZERO hours on test prep, other than part of a study hall session to walk through test format and process, and that the only disruptions were the two days of actual testing, where half of the day was still regular curriculum with some modifications.

That's not about my kid (as the PP tried claiming with the specious "30% of students" claim), that's about my kid's school.

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

They are having a "different experience." Let me guess....it's school stuffed with high income white kids, little diversity, and not a center for special education programs.

Nope, nice try but wrong. It's a school that's qualified for Title 1 status based on the large percentage of FARMS students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

So, because you claim to be liberal, that means your experience counts and no one else's does? You are talk about he differences between schools under Common Core and NCLB--but you have given no examples that I have read. And, I'm not clear do you mean the differences before NCLB or are you comparing NCLB and Common Core or what? This makes no sense.

Wow. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. You are the one who has dismissed and discounted my experience, whereas I am presenting an analysis and conclusion based on BOTH my experience AND your experience. Yes, I *HAVE* indeed given examples of differences in schools and how they do things.

Here's the comparison of experiences, once again: A.) On this thread, we've heard again and again, the anti-CCers talking about excessive and inordinate amounts of time prepping for NCLB testing, teaching to the test, putting kids through WEEKS of disruption, whereas B.) our own experience is completely different, DC's school does not "teach to the test" and spent ZERO hours on test prep, other than part of a study hall session to walk through test format and process, and that the only disruptions were the two days of actual testing, where half of the day was still regular curriculum with some modifications.

That's not about my kid (as the PP tried claiming with the specious "30% of students" claim), that's about my kid's school.

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

They are having a "different experience." Let me guess....it's school stuffed with high income white kids, little diversity, and not a center for special education programs.

Nope, nice try but wrong. It's a school that's qualified for Title 1 status based on the large percentage of FARMS students.

Then you're lying. OR NAME THE SCHOOL AND PROVE IT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Getting rid of standards and testing won't make the poor kids read better either, in fact makes the problem worse, because it just sweeps the problem under the carpet and makes it even less likely to get funding and community support needed to help solve it.

The unintended consequences have become an entrenched problem. Maybe not at your school, but at way too many.

The solution is to have standards (of course) as we always have, but to stop the mandated federal testing. Instead of the testing that is pointed toward the standards in such specific and narrow ways, have testing that is broader and can be used to get the funding that is needed as well. This is possible. And we need fewer, simpler, and shorter tests. These tests are really not helping teachers to be better teachers (even in the wonderful schools that have great CC and testing implementation).

Testing was minimal disruption at DC's school - hardly the nightmare you'd like to make it out to be. But that said, the testing could probably be improved, but again, that's also a LOCAL issue. The feds aren't the ones developing the tests - PARCC, Smarter Balanced and other tests are all state-led efforts.

[Anonymous]

There are a ton of common sense things that schools with poor students can and should do better. There are a lot of schools that make lousy textbook choices, there are a lot of schools that don't offer needed supports like extra reading and math labs, and the test scores can and should serve as the rationale and justification to get communities in support of these things.

Easy to say. How much time have you spent teaching in Title I schools? I mean real teaching--not as an advisor or specialist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Getting rid of standards and testing won't make the poor kids read better either, in fact makes the problem worse, because it just sweeps the problem under the carpet and makes it even less likely to get funding and community support needed to help solve it.



The unintended consequences have become an entrenched problem. Maybe not at your school, but at way too many.

The solution is to have standards (of course) as we always have, but to stop the mandated federal testing. Instead of the testing that is pointed toward the standards in such specific and narrow ways, have testing that is broader and can be used to get the funding that is needed as well. This is possible. And we need fewer, simpler, and shorter tests. These tests are really not helping teachers to be better teachers (even in the wonderful schools that have great CC and testing implementation).


Testing was minimal disruption at DC's school - hardly the nightmare you'd like to make it out to be. But that said, the testing could probably be improved, but again, that's also a LOCAL issue. The feds aren't the ones developing the tests - PARCC, Smarter Balanced and other tests are all state-led efforts.

The tests ARE NOT a local issue. The feds REQUIRE that there be tests (under NCLB) and those tests have to be APPROVED by the feds. You are trying to blame the states for something that the feds pushed big time.

[Anonymous]

The feds aren't the ones developing the tests - PARCC, Smarter Balanced and other tests are all state-led efforts.

Didn't they get federal grants?

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARCC

Yes. Federal grants for those '"state led" tests.

[Anonymous]

The solution is to have standards (of course) as we always have, but to stop the mandated federal testing. Instead of the testing that is pointed toward the standards in such specific and narrow ways, have testing that is broader and can be used to get the funding that is needed as well. This is possible. And we need fewer, simpler, and shorter tests. These tests are really not helping teachers to be better teachers (even in the wonderful schools that have great CC and testing implementation).

[Anonymous]

The solution is to have standards (of course) as we always have, but to stop the mandated federal testing. Instead of the testing that is pointed toward the standards in such specific and narrow ways, have testing that is broader and can be used to get the funding that is needed as well. This is possible. And we need fewer, simpler, and shorter tests. These tests are really not helping teachers to be better teachers (even in the wonderful schools that have great CC and testing implementation).

First, you need to remove the testing requirement from NCLB. The part about testing for federal funding is part of NCLB--and that is the problem. Also, part of the problem is that to get federal funding the standards must be at least as "rigorous" as Common Core--this is from the feds. You've got to eliminate the whole thing. And the "wonderful schools with great CC and testing implementation: are just schools with students who are already high achievers.

[Anonymous]

First, you need to remove the testing requirement from NCLB. The part about testing for federal funding is part of NCLB--and that is the problem. Also, part of the problem is that to get federal funding the standards must be at least as "rigorous" as Common Core--this is from the feds. You've got to eliminate the whole thing. And the "wonderful schools with great CC and testing implementation: are just schools with students who are already high achievers.

Yes, I agree. You have it nailed. Will the Congress do it? Could this be a big bipartisan breakthrough moment? I think that 85% of Americans would be cheering this (or possibly more!). This is a no brainer.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I agree. You have it nailed. Will the Congress do it? Could this be a big bipartisan breakthrough moment? I think that 85% of Americans would be cheering this (or possibly more!). This is a no brainer.

Write your Rep and Senators. I think the politicians just do not understand. It makes sense to hold teachers "accountable" for the "achievement" of the students. They just do not understand that there are too many variables in this testing and that the tests are not measuring what they think they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARCC

Yes. Federal grants for those '"state led" tests.

Which STATES developed. And, as is demonstrated by the very fact that there are DIFFERENT TESTS depending on which state you are in, i.e. PARCC vs. Smarter Balanced.

So again, stop with the "feds feds feds, waaah" nonsense.