PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

[Anonymous]

As for portability, it's COMMON SENSE. Directly relating to the education issue, in a previous life I also spent many years involved in education and experience standards for professional licensure and examinations, which deals with a lot of the same issues. It's far more of an issue than you realize and again, a real teacher, particularly in the upper grades, would know this.

Too bad you didn't spend as many years in teaching.

[Anonymous]

Too bad you didn't spend as many years in teaching.

Well, at least she knew where to look for that quote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

So, because you claim to be liberal, that means your experience counts and no one else's does? You are talk about he differences between schools under Common Core and NCLB--but you have given no examples that I have read. And, I'm not clear do you mean the differences before NCLB or are you comparing NCLB and Common Core or what? This makes no sense.

Wow. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. You are the one who has dismissed and discounted my experience, whereas I am presenting an analysis and conclusion based on BOTH my experience AND your experience. Yes, I *HAVE* indeed given examples of differences in schools and how they do things.

Here's the comparison of experiences, once again: A.) On this thread, we've heard again and again, the anti-CCers talking about excessive and inordinate amounts of time prepping for NCLB testing, teaching to the test, putting kids through WEEKS of disruption, whereas B.) our own experience is completely different, DC's school does not "teach to the test" and spent ZERO hours on test prep, other than part of a study hall session to walk through test format and process, and that the only disruptions were the two days of actual testing, where half of the day was still regular curriculum with some modifications.

That's not about my kid (as the PP tried claiming with the specious "30% of students" claim), that's about my kid's school.

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

[Anonymous]

getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem,

You keep saying that we don't understand that the testing and the standards are separate issues (CC and NCLB mandated testing) and we know that. Yet then you come up with a statement like this where you put the two of them together. And NCLB does not equal standardized testing mandates. They could just take the testing mandate out of NCLB. That's what they need to do. It's pretty simple really, but once the feds do something it takes an act of Congress to undo it. The saying isn't around for nothing. We all have to yell and scream before we get things to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

As for portability, it's COMMON SENSE. Directly relating to the education issue, in a previous life I also spent many years involved in education and experience standards for professional licensure and examinations, which deals with a lot of the same issues. It's far more of an issue than you realize and again, a real teacher, particularly in the upper grades, would know this.

Too bad you didn't spend as many years in teaching.

LOL! This coming from people who pretend to be teachers, while making grossly uninformed statements that a real teacher would know better than to make.

[Anonymous]

LOL! This coming from people who pretend to be teachers, while making grossly uninformed statements that a real teacher would know better than to make.

Sorry. I guess your experience in licensure outweighs education and experience in teaching with real kids--including those who come from backgrounds that are very likely not as rich as your son's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem,

You keep saying that we don't understand that the testing and the standards are separate issues (CC and NCLB mandated testing) and we know that. Yet then you come up with a statement like this where you put the two of them together. And NCLB does not equal standardized testing mandates. They could just take the testing mandate out of NCLB. That's what they need to do. It's pretty simple really, but once the feds do something it takes an act of Congress to undo it. The saying isn't around for nothing. We all have to yell and scream before we get things to happen.

None of that changes the fact that how your school chooses to implement things SUCKS and getting rid of NCLB won't fix that. You would be better off directing your yelling and screaming at your administration and local politicians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

So, because you claim to be liberal, that means your experience counts and no one else's does? You are talk about he differences between schools under Common Core and NCLB--but you have given no examples that I have read. And, I'm not clear do you mean the differences before NCLB or are you comparing NCLB and Common Core or what? This makes no sense.

Wow. Your reading comprehension is atrocious. You are the one who has dismissed and discounted my experience, whereas I am presenting an analysis and conclusion based on BOTH my experience AND your experience. Yes, I *HAVE* indeed given examples of differences in schools and how they do things.

Here's the comparison of experiences, once again: A.) On this thread, we've heard again and again, the anti-CCers talking about excessive and inordinate amounts of time prepping for NCLB testing, teaching to the test, putting kids through WEEKS of disruption, whereas B.) our own experience is completely different, DC's school does not "teach to the test" and spent ZERO hours on test prep, other than part of a study hall session to walk through test format and process, and that the only disruptions were the two days of actual testing, where half of the day was still regular curriculum with some modifications.

That's not about my kid (as the PP tried claiming with the specious "30% of students" claim), that's about my kid's school.

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

This.

[Anonymous]

LOL! This coming from people who pretend to be teachers, while making grossly uninformed statements that a real teacher would know better than to make.

You are wrong. I am a teacher. I've been teaching for over 20 years.

There is one good thing about what is going on as far as politicians trying to dictate what goes on in schools. It is continuing to make educators angry and now it is finally reaching students and parents. This is a good thing. We are either going to change the CC a lot and have it our way (Burger King outcome) or we are going to force it out altogether (new and tastier restaurant menu). And, if things improve even more, we might get more highly qualified people to come back into the profession and truly make our schools better and more interesting places to learn in.

Teachers will stick together on this.

[Anonymous]

None of that changes the fact that how your school chooses to implement things SUCKS and getting rid of NCLB won't fix that

I am not the poster to whom you are responding. But, I hope you know that some schools--especially those with very poor students--have a lot more to lose from standardized testing of Common Core standards than other schools. For example, schools with high achievers do not have to worry about passing those tests, where those with many low achievers do have to be concerned. Sadly, you cannot blame the administration for wanting to ensure that their kids pass the tests. Unfortunately, the law of unintended consequences means that these schools spend far too much time working on the tests and not on teaching.

My kids were in school when the changeover from NCLB occurred. We were lucky. They went to a school that did not have to worry about passing the tests. However, initially, there was a lot of stress in the school. It was a sad change from the education they received prior to the testing required by NCLB. I would imagine that things are better now that the school realizes that their kids are fine.

However, I have friends that teach in schools with very poor students. These are kids who struggle daily. There is huge pressure to get these kids to pass. The Common Core standards are not fixing that. If anything, it is worse.

[Anonymous]

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

Unfortunately, you cannot compare experiences unless the schools are comparable in socioeconomic standards. Big difference in demands.

[Anonymous]

LOL! This coming from people who pretend to be teachers, while making grossly uninformed statements that a real teacher would know better than to make.



You are wrong. I am a teacher. I've been teaching for over 20 years.

There is one good thing about what is going on as far as politicians trying to dictate what goes on in schools. It is continuing to make educators angry and now it is finally reaching students and parents. This is a good thing. We are either going to change the CC a lot and have it our way (Burger King outcome) or we are going to force it out altogether (new and tastier restaurant menu). And, if things improve even more, we might get more highly qualified people to come back into the profession and truly make our schools better and more interesting places to learn in.

Teachers will stick together on this.

Good post. from another teacher (12 years)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

They DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than yours does, and as a result, the kids have a totally different experience. Again, that is the whole point - when you look not just at your own experience, but also at that of others, you can only come to the conclusion that it's not the mere fact of NCLB or CC, it's HOW YOUR PARTICULAR SCHOOL DOES IT that makes it bad.

Unfortunately, you cannot compare experiences unless the schools are comparable in socioeconomic standards. Big difference in demands.

DC's school has a plurality of FARMS students and qualifies as Title I so your attempt once again to write off my experience doesn't fly.

Again, my premise that it's local implementation remains valid to account for both my own experience AND your experience, whereas your premise that it's strictly about NCLB fails to account for my experience.

[Anonymous]

DC's school has a plurality of FARMS students and qualifies as Title I so your attempt once again to write off my experience doesn't fly.

Wonder if the Title I kids had the same experience as your son with the lack of practice tests? Somehow, I kind of doubt it. You did say Middle school, didn't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

None of that changes the fact that how your school chooses to implement things SUCKS and getting rid of NCLB won't fix that

I am not the poster to whom you are responding. But, I hope you know that some schools--especially those with very poor students--have a lot more to lose from standardized testing of Common Core standards than other schools. For example, schools with high achievers do not have to worry about passing those tests, where those with many low achievers do have to be concerned. Sadly, you cannot blame the administration for wanting to ensure that their kids pass the tests. Unfortunately, the law of unintended consequences means that these schools spend far too much time working on the tests and not on teaching.

My kids were in school when the changeover from NCLB occurred. We were lucky. They went to a school that did not have to worry about passing the tests. However, initially, there was a lot of stress in the school. It was a sad change from the education they received prior to the testing required by NCLB. I would imagine that things are better now that the school realizes that their kids are fine.

However, I have friends that teach in schools with very poor students. These are kids who struggle daily. There is huge pressure to get these kids to pass. The Common Core standards are not fixing that. If anything, it is worse.

There are a ton of common sense things that schools with poor students can and should do better. There are a lot of schools that make lousy textbook choices, there are a lot of schools that don't offer needed supports like extra reading and math labs, and the test scores can and should serve as the rationale and justification to get communities in support of these things.