8 Skiers dead after accidental Avalanche in California!

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

Free climbing IS safe. It’s climbing WITH a rope propelling yourself upward by hands and feet and not any other aid. You are thinking of free soloing, which is climbing without a rope.

Free climbing is safer by far than free-soloing but it is not safe in the conventional sense. Plenty of people, even experienced climbers, die in accidents while doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You forgot the judgmental cows who have nothing better to do than trash these dead women.

You must not remember threads about Texas and Tennessee floods, Florida and Gulf Coast hurricanes, tornadoes in north Alabama, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

Free climbing IS safe. It’s climbing WITH a rope propelling yourself upward by hands and feet and not any other aid. You are thinking of free soloing, which is climbing without a rope.

Free climbing is safer by far than free-soloing but it is not safe in the conventional sense. Plenty of people, even experienced climbers, die in accidents while doing this.

Free climbing is a crutch for people that make mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:You forgot the judgmental cows who have nothing better to do than trash these dead women.

You must not remember threads about Texas and Tennessee floods, Florida and Gulf Coast hurricanes, tornadoes in north Alabama, etc.

They trash all kinds of victims with unhinged speculations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Go back to 4chan

[Anonymous]

I read a very interesting article about the Tunnel Creek avalanche in which a group of 16 expert skiiers went on an off piste run. Several of them actually had huge reservations at various stages (About timing, route, conditions, size of group...) but all separately expressed after the fact that they could not bring themselves to say anything because they didn't want to be perceived as cowardly, lacking in expertise. Some of these people were local and had known the mountain and skiied it their entire lives.

Highly recommend this article in NY Times, it's called Snow Fall: the avalanche at Tunnel Creek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Most people are using AI and bloggers as their sources, so, yeah I wouldn't say that's a great way to make decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Most people are using AI and bloggers as their sources, so, yeah I wouldn't say that's a great way to make decisions.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. This is how a lot of people conduct their "research".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Go back to 4chan

Never been there. First, you say listen to the experts. Then you blame them for listening to the experts and not asking questions. You can't have it both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Go back to 4chan

Never been there. First, you say listen to the experts. Then you blame them for listening to the experts and not asking questions. You can't have it both ways.

DP here - I agree with you. People on this thread are coming down HARD on the skiers for blindly taking the advice of the guides, but in reality, most people would have done the same thing. Our society has set up a system where people don't think for themselves, be it skiing down a mountain or taking a vaccine or taking a certain medication.

(And for the record, I am a huge supporter of vaccines. I am fully vaccinated. But I think people who do their own research (actual research, not TikTok) should be applauded, not derided).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

That would be great to list the profession of each of these moms in every article. Would remind everyone of their intelligence and degrees.

Would it?

Their kids just had a week off for Ski Week/ prez day weekend, and then the following week they also took off for this trip.

Must have a cool profession and role indeed!

The accident occurred during "ski week".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

Remember being told that we weren't allowed to question the experts and that doing own research is foolish?

Go back to 4chan

Never been there. First, you say listen to the experts. Then you blame them for listening to the experts and not asking questions. You can't have it both ways.

DP here - I agree with you. People on this thread are coming down HARD on the skiers for blindly taking the advice of the guides, but in reality, most people would have done the same thing. Our society has set up a system where people don't think for themselves, be it skiing down a mountain or taking a vaccine or taking a certain medication.

(And for the record, I am a huge supporter of vaccines. I am fully vaccinated. But I think people who do their own research (actual research, not TikTok) should be applauded, not derided).

I disagree. Most intelligent people take the time to read weather reports before taking a trip and would cancel or postpone if especially heavy snowfall or hurricanes were predicted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read a very interesting article about the Tunnel Creek avalanche in which a group of 16 expert skiiers went on an off piste run. Several of them actually had huge reservations at various stages (About timing, route, conditions, size of group...) but all separately expressed after the fact that they could not bring themselves to say anything because they didn't want to be perceived as cowardly, lacking in expertise. Some of these people were local and had known the mountain and skiied it their entire lives.

Highly recommend this article in NY Times, it's called Snow Fall: the avalanche at Tunnel Creek.

Ok that was fascinating and well told. Thanks for the rec.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we’re so cooked as a society.

- people now blindly follow “guides” and have lost the ability to think for themselves.

- our lives are unfulfilled and boring and we need extreme excursions to bring us back to life

- we continue to hold moms to a higher standard.

- someone in this thread was hurt by an intelligent woman or something, and it shows. It’s one thing to point out that the guides - men and a woman - and the guests - men and women - made dumb decisions. It’s another thing to smugly fixate on the women, their jobs, their colleges. It’s weird.

I hold parents to a higher standard when it comes to risk taking. You have responsibilities.