Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
Anyone listen to hayley williams? She just released a album and confirmed her and her bandmate (Taylor) have always liked each other. She talks about being depressed at her wedding and mentions a plane ride they from Rio where Taylor asked her if they ever think about each other.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
I know it's off topic but every time someone posts this letter I'm amazed again. What an absolute a$$hole. I struggle to square that with people who say Taylor is from great parents and was raised right -- the entitlement, bragging, self-centeredness, lack of perspective here. Also the stupidity of putting it all in writing when you are activity pushing for your daughter to become famous.
Taylor doesn't seem like this at all (if she is, she's an excellent actress) but if this is who raised her, then she's avoided those pitfalls in spite of her upbringing, not because of it.
I don't think the apple falls far from the tree. Taylor seems to be on a singular mission who won't let anyone or anything get in her way. She cycles through friends and boyfriends the way most people do with underwear.
They've been dating exclusively for two years. Doesn't seem like rapid cycling to me.
How many boyfriends has she had?
Why should that matter? It's still not rapid cycling, no matter how you try to spin it.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
I know it's off topic but every time someone posts this letter I'm amazed again. What an absolute a$$hole. I struggle to square that with people who say Taylor is from great parents and was raised right -- the entitlement, bragging, self-centeredness, lack of perspective here. Also the stupidity of putting it all in writing when you are activity pushing for your daughter to become famous.
Taylor doesn't seem like this at all (if she is, she's an excellent actress) but if this is who raised her, then she's avoided those pitfalls in spite of her upbringing, not because of it.
I don't think the apple falls far from the tree. Taylor seems to be on a singular mission who won't let anyone or anything get in her way. She cycles through friends and boyfriends the way most people do with underwear.
They've been dating exclusively for two years. Doesn't seem like rapid cycling to me.
How many boyfriends has she had?
Why should that matter? It's still not rapid cycling, no matter how you try to spin it.
Of course it is. She needs fodder for her songs. Maybe she's moving on to a new stage in life, maybe not.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
The NFL is notoriously cheap! They aren't pay Taylor.
When the heck did 80s-style coming-of-age teen movie bullies become lovable, huggable protagonists? Travis is not cuddly—he's a cretinous meathead. Like seriously, I don't get it.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Meant Jack Nicholson
Either way, I’m not arguing that she is getting money to SIT there. She makes money off of the T-shirts, clicks and royalties. Just like Jack would if you went to watch A Few Good Men or whatever after seeing him. Except for Taylor, she doesn’t have a studio to give royalties to- they are hers.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Meant Jack Nicholson
Either way, I’m not arguing that she is getting money to SIT there. She makes money off of the T-shirts, clicks and royalties. Just like Jack would if you went to watch A Few Good Men or whatever after seeing him. Except for Taylor, she doesn’t have a studio to give royalties to- they are hers.
Anonymous wrote:When the heck did 80s-style coming-of-age teen movie bullies become lovable, huggable protagonists? Travis is not cuddly—he's a cretinous meathead. Like seriously, I don't get it.
Why do you have to get it? You don't actually know these people or what they really want or are like.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Meant Jack Nicholson
Either way, I’m not arguing that she is getting money to SIT there. She makes money off of the T-shirts, clicks and royalties. Just like Jack would if you went to watch A Few Good Men or whatever after seeing him. Except for Taylor, she doesn’t have a studio to give royalties to- they are hers.
Anonymous wrote:Imagine my "shock" when my boyfriend gave me this ring I picked out and the photographer I hired filmed it. *Make shocked face*
While both of us were wearing summer/fall 2025 Ralph Lauren. And we released the footage, with a 'teachers' caption, the day before my boyfriend's American Eagle 'back to school' ad.
Americans are hopelessly gullible.
You’re gullible if you believe they didn’t have a private engagement before this. He didn’t just roll up with that ring, this was made for mass consumption and more likely than not wasn’t even the real proposal. But, why are you so mad about it? This is what they do.
So it was fake but it was fake for the fans? Why? To milk fans and make money? But I thought they were both so rich, they don't have to fake or do anything for money? These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.
I agree, but I would also say that this is all Taylor has ever known. This is why she was exploited. Her entire tween and teen years were sold to her fans by her parents. If you have ever read that email her dad sent that was written when she was like 12 or so. He basically said he worked so hard to make her famous and (and he didn’t know what her talent was yet), but that she would be famous for SOMETHING (acting, modeling, etc). And that he crafted her own web site at age 12 to generate fans etc. Couple that with her Mom setting up secret parties with fans so Taylor could “see what teenage life was like” and you have a girlhood exploited.
She is like Truman in the Truman Show and she doesn’t even know it.
Definitely her childhood was different. She was being primed for stardom but it’s hard for me to see this as a bad thing. I remember when Britney was coming up it was before social media, but her mom had this blog which was like a journal, capturing all of B’s travel and tours and her life. It seemed very happy and wonderful. But we started seeing cracks pretty early.
Taylor is pretty far into this life and I’m not seeing those cracks. She truly seems to love her craft and I can’t imagine how amazing it would be to just be able to write songs that people can’t wait to listen to and watch performed in concert. She just came off a tour of what 149 concerts… That the fans went wild over… And that she seemed to clearly enjoy doing and it takes a lot of stamina and hard work and heart to put out. That wasn’t fake or manufactured.
I’m not saying a lot of the marketing is not, well marketing, but painting this picture as if she is some puppet doesn’t really work anymore. I’m sure her parents did a lot in the beginning, but she now really has agency over her life and career and she seems well adjusted, stable and dare I say happy.
I guess I don’t see where you can criticize her parents. I think if we end up with 35-year-olds who seem this happy and well adjusted we’d be happy as parents.
Taylor was driving this train for sure. Always has been. She said when she was 14 this is all she could think about and wanted to do. Write and be a star. Luckily her parents were very supportive.
Taylor’s Dad would disagree that Taylor was driving this train.
From the email (and this is just the first part of the long list of things her dad did):
Taylor's theatre group, which had never been invited to sing at Municipal Stadium in Reading for the Reading
Phillies was asked to come out on Oldies day. Who on the board of directors suggested Oldies Day?
I did.
Who then offered up the cast of Grease,
I did.
Who had promoted his 11 year old at every board meeting to the point that when the guy who was supposed to sing the national anthem did not show, they came to Taylor and said "Can you sing the national anthem?",
I did.
the person in charge of it was in the stands.
Which led to the Harlem Wizzards national anthem because
Who video taped it?
I did.
Who then made copies and used old contacts to send it to the 76ers, while being told he was silly.
I did.
Who bought tickets for all of Taylor's friends to go support her when she sang in front of 23,000 fans.
I did.
Who got to sit in the car with her friends while Andrea and Taylor were getting first class treatment in the dressing room.
I did. You will. That's not quite
fair.
Whose wife thinks I talk too much and promote Taylor too much. MINE. Share my pain please.
Who has made every single client listen to Taylor's latest song before we went over their financial plan?
Here's the short story.
There is in excess of $150,000 of hard dollars spend on travel, lessons, production ($29,000 not counting duplication), website (not too many artists come with a website like ours) and I know that is not the total value.
There are few months that we do not get a $500 bill from Mad Dancer on the website.
Ronnie was worse.
Original cost was $5000. Have I complained. No.
As a financial planner, is it fair to Austin that Taylor is taking her half of the estate now? Probably not.
The move (delightful as it has been) involved moving out of two houses and all the crap you had to put up with times 10. The expense has been over $200,000 not counting that I am being taxed in Pennsylvania and Tennessee (this year is was $31000). Now admittedly, some of this was furniture etc but without us moving here, Taylor is not where she is today. I changed the phone numbers, I changed the boat registrations, I changed the car registrations, I changed the addresses and the ali my registrations with Merrill. I commuted
back and forth from Reading, managed my staff. Do I need to vent every once in awhile. Yos. Sold the shore house because it is so far away. Yes we made a nice profit (bought for $400,000, sold for $2,425,000) but New Jersey put a mansion tax on and I get to pay them $158,000 and it pushes me into AMT and I lose the 15% capital gains and pay another $500,000.
Now, who really cares that her parents were rich and helped finance her? No one because only rich people get ahead these days anyway. But to say that Taylor was ALWAYS driving this train after reading that email is a bit crazy.
What does this have to do with her getting engaged? What does half of this thread have to do with her getting engaged?
If nothing else it reveals her dad just the sort of ruthless money-obsessed wacko who would absolutely pimp his kid out to some football jock to milk x amount of money off the NFL, music rights, advertising, etc. revenue.
What revenue is she receiving from the NFL specifically?
She isn’t receiving a damn thing from the NFL. The Pp is someone that probably has spread rumors, gossip or conspiracy theories her entire life.
Any press is good press- right? So when she is in Ballerwife era, and the camera is on her during a game which generates more sales for merch or songs that is helpful to her. And when they use her name for clothing, don’t you think she gets some of that share? I bet her lawyers would get her a small slice of a “Taylor’s boyfriend” jersey. Even if they don’t catch all of the manufacturers I can guess they will try. The went after Etsy owners for selling Taylor things for gods sake. So maybe not directly, but she HAS to be making money off of the football thing somehow.
They show a gazillion celebrities sitting at Lakers games including Jack Nicholas over and over, but no they don’t get money from the NBA from sitting courtside. She’s famous, dating a hall of fame quarterback so yes they will show her but she’s not getting paid for it.
Meant Jack Nicholson
Either way, I’m not arguing that she is getting money to SIT there. She makes money off of the T-shirts, clicks and royalties. Just like Jack would if you went to watch A Few Good Men or whatever after seeing him. Except for Taylor, she doesn’t have a studio to give royalties to- they are hers.
Do you just make things up as you go?
Absolutely I do because it is logical, not based in “OMG I LOVE TAYLOR!”
But sure. I AIed if for you:
How Swift benefits financially While Swift is not directly paid for Kelce-related merchandise, her relationship and its resulting media attention have generated an enormous brand value for her and the NFL. This creates indirect financial benefits for Swift through:
Increased public profile: Her relationship has expanded her visibility beyond her fanbase, reaching sports fans and other demographics, which strengthens her massive brand.
Merchandise sales: When she wears an item from her own merchandise line, as she did during a 2024 lunch date, fans quickly identify it and create a surge in sales for her official products.
Brand partnerships: The massive marketing power of the couple's relationship could translate into lucrative brand endorsement opportunities. Marketing experts estimate that Kelce alone could earn up to $10 million from the "Taylor Swift effect". There is also speculation that brands might pay the couple to wear their products, based on their track record of wearing luxury, logo-heavy clothing.
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These are two soulless, scheming, money-grubbing celebs. I think both of them have sold their souls and are so far gone they don't know what is real, what is fake. Their life is a simulation at this point.