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Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


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And then the cycle continues at Walls...

The junior class at Walls has an average GPA of 3.93, a number school counselor Kathryn Moore called “very high.” She also noted that the median GPA was over a 4.0. That means that well over half the class had a GPA above 4.0 at the start of the 2022-23 school year. This number will likely only increase, as juniors take on more AP classes, which are graded on a 5.0 scale....

Mr. Jordan said that the pandemic-era grading policy “does not push students to excel,” and that students will face a “rude awakening” when they get to college. “It gives them a cushion and a false sense of their performance,” he said. “Colleges do not have a WS or [a] 63 percent [minimum].”

Some students do understand this. “It’s definitely hurt my work ethic,” Douglas said. “When I go to college, it’s going to hurt me because I’m not actively putting in as much effort as I should or as I could because of those policies. So when I go to college, I won’t be as prepared. I won’t have the strong work ethic that I probably could have [had] if those policies weren’t in place.


https://www.swwrookery.com/post/hugely-inflat...-more-harm-than-good
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


If folks believe DC has “massive grade inflation” and other problems why not move out of the city? Longer commute, sure, but except for a small number of jobs, people do not need to live within the city lines. People do have a choice.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


If folks believe DC has “massive grade inflation” and other problems why not move out of the city? Longer commute, sure, but except for a small number of jobs, people do not need to live within the city lines. People do have a choice.


I'm not sure I understand why it's easier (or at all more desirable) for everyone who prioritizes education to move out of the city, rather than for DCPS to start operating like a normal school system.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


If folks believe DC has “massive grade inflation” and other problems why not move out of the city? Longer commute, sure, but except for a small number of jobs, people do not need to live within the city lines. People do have a choice.


I'm not sure I understand why it's easier (or at all more desirable) for everyone who prioritizes education to move out of the city, rather than for DCPS to start operating like a normal school system.


This
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with not having a standardized test...just use GPA and a lottery. At least that's fair.


Agreed. And then high-performing kids who don't get in won't feel they have been rejected or somehow failed; instead they'd realize it was just a case of bad luck.


Selective school processes do not exist to make kids feel good. Even with an entrance exam, there are kids who feel bad if they do not get in. Further, there are plenty of kids who understand that they do not have the same opportunities and privileges as other kids, opportunities and privileges that inevitably lead to higher academic achievement, thereby leading to higher acceptance rates in selective schools. And maybe they feel bad about that. Maybe we can work on those systems? I am all for making processes fair for ALL kids, but any time something might impact high SES kids in any way that does not reinforce their entitlement, schools are supposed to bend over backwards to make sure they feel good about the process? And yes, there are some low SES, non-white, high achieving kids, like my kid, who might also feel bad if they get rejected. But my kid also does not feel a sense of entitlement. She knows she is worthy, but she does not think anything is owed to her. Her sense of self is not wrapped up a high school acceptance, and she knows she will do just great somewhere else. Maybe work on your kid's self-esteem not being tied to being accepted to SWW instead of trying to tailor the process to them.


Congrats on having a kid with a healthy sense of self. I wish we all did but we don't. Beyond that, you missed my point. My point was that the current version--and the one from the past three years--make it SEEM like a meritocracy when a lot of the result is quite arbitrary. That's why I'd prefer a lottery--a 13-year-olds would then understand that it was luck, and not anything they did *wrong.* DC doesn't feel entitled to a spot but is also having a hard time grasping that they didn't do something bad or make a mistake.

I have no interest in tailoring the process to my kid. I just know a LOT of highly qualified kids who are very disappointed and wondering what they should have done differently, when in fact, the real problem is the low number of seats, not anything they could have said or done.

You have no basis to be telling me (or anyone else on this anonymous board) what we should work on in our parenting. Maybe step down off your high horse for a few minutes.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


Sure, but this was a 10 minute interview.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


If folks believe DC has “massive grade inflation” and other problems why not move out of the city? Longer commute, sure, but except for a small number of jobs, people do not need to live within the city lines. People do have a choice.


I'm not sure I understand why it's easier (or at all more desirable) for everyone who prioritizes education to move out of the city, rather than for DCPS to start operating like a normal school system.


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One you can control. One you cannot.
Anonymous

DCPS is not overflowing with options for kids who are academically high-performing. If you're the kid who, say, did Algebra II in 8th grade, there are very limited academic options for you in this city. It's not like there's Walls, but there's also a selective program for kids who are great in math and science but can't make eye contact to save their lives. So the question is, does DCPS think they have an obligate to provide those kids with appropriate educations? Do you? Or do you think that appropriate-level classes for smart kids should be reserved for smart kids who are also, at 13 or 14, "bold, articulate, and engaged become our leaders"? For context, DC is an outlier here in terms of how they do admissions to selective high schools.

This will be an unpopular opinion, but 'high-performing' in DCPS isn't what folks present. 4.0 GPA and parent insistence that their children are TAG says nothing. This isn't a FAPE for high-performing kids issue...put them in neighboring Arlington or MoCo and they'd be slightly above mediocre because they'd be with peers of helicopter parents pushing their 8th grade students to take Algebra II. That's just fast tracking, not actual genius and it burns kids out. Go to a lottery/GPA combo with equal ward quotas.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like near unanimous support here for the entrance exam to return. Let's reach out to the media and start the conversation.


By "unanimous" do you mean the 4-5 repeat posters? On DCUM? LOL Of course, you can "go to the media" with whatever you want, but I find it HILARIOUS that you are basing your idea of "unanimous support" from a DCUM echo chamber. Be sure to tell the media all about your convo on DCUM.


What reasonable person is opposed to an entrance exam?


There are plenty of reasonable people who do not favor an entrance exam. There are reasonable arguments for and against. Just because those arguments against are not your arguments does not make them unreasonable.


No reasonable person would support the current Walls admissions process.

Imagine if a selective college counted GPA for 10%, 2 teacher letter recs as 30%, and a 5-minute interview and 1 paragraph essay as 60%.

Completely absurd.


+1. Sure, they have a floor of 3.7 but that is meaningless in DC with massive grade inflation.

Worse, colleges look the rigor of transcripts and re-weight to ensure that an A in PE doesn't count the same as an A in accelerated math. Walls doesn't do that either.

Totally ridiculous admissions sytem.


+2

And then the cycle continues at Walls...

The junior class at Walls has an average GPA of 3.93, a number school counselor Kathryn Moore called “very high.” She also noted that the median GPA was over a 4.0. That means that well over half the class had a GPA above 4.0 at the start of the 2022-23 school year. This number will likely only increase, as juniors take on more AP classes, which are graded on a 5.0 scale....

Mr. Jordan said that the pandemic-era grading policy “does not push students to excel,” and that students will face a “rude awakening” when they get to college. “It gives them a cushion and a false sense of their performance,” he said. “Colleges do not have a WS or [a] 63 percent [minimum].”

Some students do understand this. “It’s definitely hurt my work ethic,” Douglas said. “When I go to college, it’s going to hurt me because I’m not actively putting in as much effort as I should or as I could because of those policies. So when I go to college, I won’t be as prepared. I won’t have the strong work ethic that I probably could have [had] if those policies weren’t in place.


https://www.swwrookery.com/post/hugely-inflat...-more-harm-than-good


Let's see the teacher is no longer at the school.....
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DCPS is not overflowing with options for kids who are academically high-performing. If you're the kid who, say, did Algebra II in 8th grade, there are very limited academic options for you in this city. It's not like there's Walls, but there's also a selective program for kids who are great in math and science but can't make eye contact to save their lives. So the question is, does DCPS think they have an obligate to provide those kids with appropriate educations? Do you? Or do you think that appropriate-level classes for smart kids should be reserved for smart kids who are also, at 13 or 14, "bold, articulate, and engaged become our leaders"? For context, DC is an outlier here in terms of how they do admissions to selective high schools.

This will be an unpopular opinion, but 'high-performing' in DCPS isn't what folks present. 4.0 GPA and parent insistence that their children are TAG says nothing. This isn't a FAPE for high-performing kids issue...put them in neighboring Arlington or MoCo and they'd be slightly above mediocre because they'd be with peers of helicopter parents pushing their 8th grade students to take Algebra II. That's just fast tracking, not actual genius and it burns kids out. Go to a lottery/GPA combo with equal ward quotas.

Of course they're not geniuses. If they were geniuses, "DCPS doesn't serve them" would be an absurd complaint. But "high-performing" is entirely relative to the schools you're in. For instance, EOTP, DCPS neighborhood high schools can't even serve kids who are at grade level.
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DCPS is not overflowing with options for kids who are academically high-performing. If you're the kid who, say, did Algebra II in 8th grade, there are very limited academic options for you in this city. It's not like there's Walls, but there's also a selective program for kids who are great in math and science but can't make eye contact to save their lives. So the question is, does DCPS think they have an obligate to provide those kids with appropriate educations? Do you? Or do you think that appropriate-level classes for smart kids should be reserved for smart kids who are also, at 13 or 14, "bold, articulate, and engaged become our leaders"? For context, DC is an outlier here in terms of how they do admissions to selective high schools.

This will be an unpopular opinion, but 'high-performing' in DCPS isn't what folks present. 4.0 GPA and parent insistence that their children are TAG says nothing. This isn't a FAPE for high-performing kids issue...put them in neighboring Arlington or MoCo and they'd be slightly above mediocre because they'd be with peers of helicopter parents pushing their 8th grade students to take Algebra II. That's just fast tracking, not actual genius and it burns kids out. Go to a lottery/GPA combo with equal ward quotas.


Sounds like you are looking for more of a STEM based focused school like McKinley Tech or Thomas Jefferson in VA. Like many have said already Walls is a humanities based school. Yes they have the good test scores in the city for Math but its not the focus. AI is taking over right before our eyes many of the lucrative programming jobs will be lost in 20 years if not sooner. Walls curriculum is focused on how history has shaped the world, thinking of the world as a global community, how can we make a positive impact in our communities and the world. The understanding of our fellow man and empathy for those less fortunate. Ambassadors, Consulate Officers, Political Leaders, Lawyers. They have partnerships with GW which has partnerships with State Department which is literally 2 blocks away. Developing independent, critical thinkers, and problem solvers of the next generation regarding national and global issues. Being great at Math is awesome but think of emotional intelligence as well. Ideally a student would be great at both or at least working towards improving. IMO.
Anonymous
Sounds like you are looking for more of a STEM based focused school like McKinley Tech or Thomas Jefferson in VA. Like many have said already Walls is a humanities based school. Yes they have the good test scores in the city for Math but its not the focus. AI is taking over right before our eyes many of the lucrative programming jobs will be lost in 20 years if not sooner. Walls curriculum is focused on how history has shaped the world, thinking of the world as a global community, how can we make a positive impact in our communities and the world. The understanding of our fellow man and empathy for those less fortunate. Ambassadors, Consulate Officers, Political Leaders, Lawyers. They have partnerships with GW which has partnerships with State Department which is literally 2 blocks away. Developing independent, critical thinkers, and problem solvers of the next generation regarding national and global issues. Being great at Math is awesome but think of emotional intelligence as well. Ideally a student would be great at both or at least working towards improving. IMO.
Anonymous
Their process isn't set up to take the highest-performing humanities students, either. It's a lottery.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with not having a standardized test...just use GPA and a lottery. At least that's fair.


Agreed. And then high-performing kids who don't get in won't feel they have been rejected or somehow failed; instead they'd realize it was just a case of bad luck.


Selective school processes do not exist to make kids feel good. Even with an entrance exam, there are kids who feel bad if they do not get in. Further, there are plenty of kids who understand that they do not have the same opportunities and privileges as other kids, opportunities and privileges that inevitably lead to higher academic achievement, thereby leading to higher acceptance rates in selective schools. And maybe they feel bad about that. Maybe we can work on those systems? I am all for making processes fair for ALL kids, but any time something might impact high SES kids in any way that does not reinforce their entitlement, schools are supposed to bend over backwards to make sure they feel good about the process? And yes, there are some low SES, non-white, high achieving kids, like my kid, who might also feel bad if they get rejected. But my kid also does not feel a sense of entitlement. She knows she is worthy, but she does not think anything is owed to her. Her sense of self is not wrapped up a high school acceptance, and she knows she will do just great somewhere else. Maybe work on your kid's self-esteem not being tied to being accepted to SWW instead of trying to tailor the process to them.


Congrats on having a kid with a healthy sense of self. I wish we all did but we don't. Beyond that, you missed my point. My point was that the current version--and the one from the past three years--make it SEEM like a meritocracy when a lot of the result is quite arbitrary. That's why I'd prefer a lottery--a 13-year-olds would then understand that it was luck, and not anything they did *wrong.* DC doesn't feel entitled to a spot but is also having a hard time grasping that they didn't do something bad or make a mistake.

I have no interest in tailoring the process to my kid. I just know a LOT of highly qualified kids who are very disappointed and wondering what they should have done differently, when in fact, the real problem is the low number of seats, not anything they could have said or done.

You have no basis to be telling me (or anyone else on this anonymous board) what we should work on in our parenting. Maybe step down off your high horse for a few minutes.



Nope. PP is right. You completely miss their point.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with not having a standardized test...just use GPA and a lottery. At least that's fair.


Agreed. And then high-performing kids who don't get in won't feel they have been rejected or somehow failed; instead they'd realize it was just a case of bad luck.


Selective school processes do not exist to make kids feel good. Even with an entrance exam, there are kids who feel bad if they do not get in. Further, there are plenty of kids who understand that they do not have the same opportunities and privileges as other kids, opportunities and privileges that inevitably lead to higher academic achievement, thereby leading to higher acceptance rates in selective schools. And maybe they feel bad about that. Maybe we can work on those systems? I am all for making processes fair for ALL kids, but any time something might impact high SES kids in any way that does not reinforce their entitlement, schools are supposed to bend over backwards to make sure they feel good about the process? And yes, there are some low SES, non-white, high achieving kids, like my kid, who might also feel bad if they get rejected. But my kid also does not feel a sense of entitlement. She knows she is worthy, but she does not think anything is owed to her. Her sense of self is not wrapped up a high school acceptance, and she knows she will do just great somewhere else. Maybe work on your kid's self-esteem not being tied to being accepted to SWW instead of trying to tailor the process to them.


Congrats on having a kid with a healthy sense of self. I wish we all did but we don't. Beyond that, you missed my point. My point was that the current version--and the one from the past three years--make it SEEM like a meritocracy when a lot of the result is quite arbitrary. That's why I'd prefer a lottery--a 13-year-olds would then understand that it was luck, and not anything they did *wrong.* DC doesn't feel entitled to a spot but is also having a hard time grasping that they didn't do something bad or make a mistake.

I have no interest in tailoring the process to my kid. I just know a LOT of highly qualified kids who are very disappointed and wondering what they should have done differently, when in fact, the real problem is the low number of seats, not anything they could have said or done.

You have no basis to be telling me (or anyone else on this anonymous board) what we should work on in our parenting. Maybe step down off your high horse for a few minutes.



Nope. PP is right. You completely miss their point.


Wrong. Stop defending an absurd admissions process by attacking other parents.
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