College Football--Big Ten Expansion
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Anonymous
| Has there been any updated news on the ACC? Florida State seemed like they were ready to try something crazy earlier this week. |
Anonymous
Crazy/desperate… I saw reports that included seeking private equity to cover the revenue gap, suing the ACC for fraud to break the GOR… |
Anonymous
| Four remaining PAC 12 schools left to dry out |
Anonymous
No. That news was not real. Real maybe in that it was floated but not real as in anything happening. They do not get to just leave. There is no fraud. They all knew all when they signed. It would take all to agree. They will not let anyone out. |
Anonymous
(OP here): University of Utah & ASU just applied for membership in the Big 12 Conference. This is a huge development for the Big 12 Conference. |
Anonymous
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(OP again):
This article uses my ideas/proposals/suggestions that I have been making for months (I am not the author of today's article cited below however): https://si.com/college/cal/news/big-ten-realignment-with-cal A 24 team Big Ten Conference is probably the appropriate goal for a true coast-to-coast conference. But, even though I have often included UCal-Berkeley in my prior writings, I am not so sure that The Big Ten Conference could stomach both Stanford & Berkeley. With the addition of Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA the Big Ten Conference has acquired the best of the west. The Big Ten Conference will be at 18 teams in 2024 with the addition of 4 amazing universities: USC, UCLA, U Washington, and U Oregon. Washington and UCLA are world class universities in every respect and USC & Oregon are doing everything within reason to get there. Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are world class universities, but sometimes the values of the student bodies do not match with the free speech principles present in each and every Big Ten school. It's okay to be super liberal, but it is not okay to shut down speakers who have opposing viewpoints. Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Utah, UNC, Virginia, Cornell, FSU, U Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, U Pittsburgh and many others fit in with the Big Ten culture which respects opposing viewpoints. |
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Nevertheless, I do support the consideration of Stanford University for Big Ten Conference membership. After all, Northwestern University needs a buddy in the conference with which it can identify. And I love Northwestern University, but hazing that involves any manner of humiliation is totally inappropriate.
I want the Big Ten Conference to grow to 24 teams composed of 4 six team divisions. The addition of UCal Berkeley & Stanford would make such an arrangement easy, but it would also make a future split from the conference easy. So no to the addition of BOTH Stanford & Cal-Berkeley. Both are attractive from an academic viewpoint, but neither is at the level of a Notre Dame with respect to football--the premier revenue sport. But, hey, if Notre Dame wants Stanford, then Stanford it is. |
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(OP again):
I have expressed many of th same thoughts, but I disagree that the events of today will have no impact upon Notre Dame football. https://espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38134807/college-football/2023-conference-realignment-big-ten-pac-12-sec-florida-state |
Anonymous
| I never thought the stars would align in a way that would make me feel sorry for Stanford and Berkeley. Well, maybe the Big 12 will take them. I’d love to see the fans mingle at a tailgate party before a Berkeley/Baylor football game. |
Anonymous
| I wonder if this saves the ACC until the expiration of the GoR. If Stanford isn’t good enough for the Big10, UVA, UNC, and GT should be looking in a mirror |
Anonymous
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I can’t believe how screwed the acc is. |
Anonymous
(OP here): No, the ACC is fine. The team that is facing an unfortunate future is not a full member of the ACC. |
Anonymous
My brother - an NCAA D1 All American in his day and a very well known economist - has colleagues at Cal's econ department. His Cal friend - who is a sports fan, is now legitimately concerned about the future of Cal athletics given the environment at the university. Their choices are bleak. Beg for a space with the Big 10 with a promise of a fuller revenue share in the future, join the Mountain West at a paltry 4 million a year and compete against Boise State, or go independent. Notre Dame altogether hauls in $33M being independent. Cal (and Stanford for that matter) could only draw a fraction of that sum and I don't see independence working for Cal or Stanford. Playing San Jose State draws minimal revenue. Stanford has the best overall women's athletic program in country. Query how that basketball and softball and golf and swim teams - and I could go on - will be paid for without big football money. This shuffle is so profound it is going to impact the schools in any number of ways. A university president now really must really understand sports and the media markets, particularly as regards football which drives everything. Academic nerds cannot survive. The shuffle causes me to lose interest. Really, who is going to be interested in watching a 500 Maryland squad play Washington in November (no knock on Washington, but an unknown to people who live here)? As a kid we drove to Michigan games from Chicago. There was reason to get excited watching Michigan play Purdue (or name your school). A relative lived down the street from FSU's ex-head coach, who the athletic department is still paying after buying out his contract to terminate him. They took money from the capital fund for the buyout. The reality is that FSU cannot sit and watch Florida get $40M more each year than FSU by virtue of SEC membership. They want in the SEC - and who in the heck knows how Florida State would pay the enormous ACC exit fee and restore its grant of rights back to itself. But you can bet FSU will pull every string and work every legislator 6 blocks away (4 blocks if you include the law school) to find a way to unhook from the ACC. The trustees care more about football than anything else. I ran on the FSU campus as an old guy a few years back and the stadium has stained glass of Bobby Bowden as if it was a fancy church. The new med school is three blocks north and you can't even find it easily. FSU could demand an unequal ACC draw (along with Clemson) but to get competitive with the SEC and Big 10 the draw would have to be significantly imbalanced in FSU's direction. And frankly, although better last year the team has not been good enough the past several years to support an unequal draw. It is unfortunate that sports - football - will so impact universities. NIL essentially means de facto pro teams. But there is no going back. |
Anonymous
Stanford is okay IF Notre Dame says so with respect to football. Stanford academics are world class. Georgia tech, UNC, Virginia have Big Ten values and all are located in very fertile football recruiting territory. Duke & Wake forest should be the most relieved. |
Anonymous
(OP here): Love your post & jealous of the Baylor-Berkeley remark; you are spot-on correct. |