Biden strikes out with King Manchin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

OOOOo I want this gossip. What interview, do you remember?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cling to guns and religion, cling for dear life and pass the pills.

Consider for a moment that (1) a majority, or at least a very large plurality, of Americans distrust the government, and (2) guns and religion are expressions / tools / proxies for self-reliance. Asking voters to trust that the government will take care of them is always going to be a hard sell (particularly if government agencies will be in control of the resources offered), but those doing the selling make it even harder by simultaneously disparaging the tools of self-reliance.

Indeed.

Stop and ask why people are feeling so desperate that they look to religion, violence, and ultimately drugs when neither works to lift them out of their situations. I’m not going to stop caring. Focus on helping. They wouldn’t cling so hard if they felt secure.

Best of luck with the offer to provide government welfare in exchange for god and guns. Alternatively, there are private charitable institutions that would welcome additional volunteered time and resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Look, this narrative is really not helpful even though you think you’re telling the truth. The truth is actually a lot more complicated and I urge you to be more empathetic. Yes, it appears they are voting against what you see as their best interests, but if they believe the lies, can you blame them? Most voters are unsophisticated, so really it’s the failure of elected officials to lead that causes what you’re seeing. Manchin has done a a poor job pulling his people out of the conservative black hole, and echoing RW talking points on FN doesn’t help. I don’t know if he doesn’t care, if he’s on the take, or if he’s drinking the koolaide now too. But he seems extremely bitter and maybe it’s time for someone new. Unfortunately I think he’s going to hand his state to a Trumper if he doesn’t make it through the next few years. That’s my gut.

I’m empathetic and think we’re in agreement. Manchin could have championed BBB and brought his constituents along. Instead he buckled to special interests and Republican pressure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

OOOOo I want this gossip. What interview, do you remember?

Biden and Manchin are long-time friends who have worked together for decades. Manchin did not want to throw Biden under the bus, but there was one WH staffer (none of the news sources have identified them yet) who apparently tried to browbeat Manchin into agreeing to BBB. Manchin's little reversal to the media was essentially saying that this staffer had better back off, apologize and change tactics or the bill is dead. That staffer had better do something to get Manchin back at the table or they are done...they may already be done, but their only hope is the apologize and try to coax Manchin back to the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

OOOOo I want this gossip. What interview, do you remember?

Biden and Manchin are long-time friends who have worked together for decades. Manchin did not want to throw Biden under the bus, but there was one WH staffer (none of the news sources have identified them yet) who apparently tried to browbeat Manchin into agreeing to BBB. Manchin's little reversal to the media was essentially saying that this staffer had better back off, apologize and change tactics or the bill is dead. That staffer had better do something to get Manchin back at the table or they are done...they may already be done, but their only hope is the apologize and try to coax Manchin back to the table.

DP. This sounds so petty. If Manchin has problems with a staffer, he should take it up with the White House instead of vaguebooking to the media. And whatever it is should have nothing to do with whether he supports this bill - if the bill is good, he should vote for it regardless of what some staffer said. If it isn’t, then he should own his opposition to the substance of the bill instead of trying to deflect any blame onto a WH staffer.

[Anonymous]

I think the problem is that Manchin knows from private conversations that he was not the only moderate dem who had a problem with this insanely bloated bill (he suggested there were at least several others in one of his interviews, but would not break confidences to tell who they are, that’s why he was trying to push for a public vote).. and I think he asked the WH to stop suggesting that he’s the only holdout when it’s not true… but then Saki et al just couldn’t help herself but try to make Manchin look bad in a public statement AGAIN and he said enough is enough of all the bullying.

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Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Look, this narrative is really not helpful even though you think you’re telling the truth. The truth is actually a lot more complicated and I urge you to be more empathetic. Yes, it appears they are voting against what you see as their best interests, but if they believe the lies, can you blame them? Most voters are unsophisticated, so really it’s the failure of elected officials to lead that causes what you’re seeing. Manchin has done a a poor job pulling his people out of the conservative black hole, and echoing RW talking points on FN doesn’t help. I don’t know if he doesn’t care, if he’s on the take, or if he’s drinking the koolaide now too. But he seems extremely bitter and maybe it’s time for someone new. Unfortunately I think he’s going to hand his state to a Trumper if he doesn’t make it through the next few years. That’s my gut.

I’m empathetic and think we’re in agreement. Manchin could have championed BBB and brought his constituents along. Instead he buckled to special interests and Republican pressure.

You sound pretty obnoxious, thinking you know more about what’s best for WV than their own senator and former governor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Look, this narrative is really not helpful even though you think you’re telling the truth. The truth is actually a lot more complicated and I urge you to be more empathetic. Yes, it appears they are voting against what you see as their best interests, but if they believe the lies, can you blame them? Most voters are unsophisticated, so really it’s the failure of elected officials to lead that causes what you’re seeing. Manchin has done a a poor job pulling his people out of the conservative black hole, and echoing RW talking points on FN doesn’t help. I don’t know if he doesn’t care, if he’s on the take, or if he’s drinking the koolaide now too. But he seems extremely bitter and maybe it’s time for someone new. Unfortunately I think he’s going to hand his state to a Trumper if he doesn’t make it through the next few years. That’s my gut.

I’m empathetic and think we’re in agreement. Manchin could have championed BBB and brought his constituents along. Instead he buckled to special interests and Republican pressure.

You sound pretty obnoxious, thinking you know more about what’s best for WV than their own senator and former governor.

King Joe is really out of touch with WVa. Let them eat cake!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I promise you, the people on this thread with the hateful comments are clearly republicans letting us all know what they really think of poor people.

Bette Midler took the red pill? Nagh, didn’t think so.

Screw Manchin and the other republicans.

Strawmen.
Nobody is hating on poor people for being poor. They are questioning the judgement of poor people for continually making choices at the polls that keep them dead last in the nation.

+1

And it’s obviously the GOP that has the disdain for the poor. No one else begrudges poor people getting a hand up. The only hand the GOP wants to give poor people is strong one to the shoulder to push them off the ladder entirely.

Exactly. And if Manchin ultimately holds up this bill he should be held accountable. I’m sorry his feelings are hurt. But is he really intending to sell his voters out like this? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t need them. Maybe the big money Conservatives (who like to call themselves moderates or independents) in his state are enough to keep him in office. But west Virginians, who voted for Trump, may want someone else. The crazy thing is I could see Trump republicans supporting a lot of the stuff in this bill if they weren’t blinded by partisanship. It’s the “moderate” conservative republicans who are selling them out.

The sad fact is his constituents do need the provisions in BBB - desperately. But like many of Americans white poor and working class, they are more preoccupied, thanks to Fox News and the unethical, power-at-any-cost with boogeymen like “socialism” and “critical race theory” and that climate change is a hoax. They are voting against their best interests and they got the leader they deserve: Manchin. A millionaire who is a-ok with his impoverished state staying poor and poor people continuing to suffer as long as it keeps him in power.

Look, this narrative is really not helpful even though you think you’re telling the truth. The truth is actually a lot more complicated and I urge you to be more empathetic. Yes, it appears they are voting against what you see as their best interests, but if they believe the lies, can you blame them? Most voters are unsophisticated, so really it’s the failure of elected officials to lead that causes what you’re seeing. Manchin has done a a poor job pulling his people out of the conservative black hole, and echoing RW talking points on FN doesn’t help. I don’t know if he doesn’t care, if he’s on the take, or if he’s drinking the koolaide now too. But he seems extremely bitter and maybe it’s time for someone new. Unfortunately I think he’s going to hand his state to a Trumper if he doesn’t make it through the next few years. That’s my gut.

I’m empathetic and think we’re in agreement. Manchin could have championed BBB and brought his constituents along. Instead he buckled to special interests and Republican pressure.

You sound pretty obnoxious, thinking you know more about what’s best for WV than their own senator and former governor.

DP. It’s not like West Virginia is a model if good governance. Some of the highest poverty rates, lowest education rates and worst health outcomes in the country isn’t something I would brag about if I were Manchin or Justice.

[Anonymous]

I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cling to guns and religion, cling for dear life and pass the pills.

Consider for a moment that (1) a majority, or at least a very large plurality, of Americans distrust the government, and (2) guns and religion are expressions / tools / proxies for self-reliance. Asking voters to trust that the government will take care of them is always going to be a hard sell (particularly if government agencies will be in control of the resources offered), but those doing the selling make it even harder by simultaneously disparaging the tools of self-reliance.

Indeed.

Stop and ask why people are feeling so desperate that they look to religion, violence, and ultimately drugs when neither works to lift them out of their situations. I’m not going to stop caring. Focus on helping. They wouldn’t cling so hard if they felt secure.

Best of luck with the offer to provide government welfare in exchange for god and guns. Alternatively, there are private charitable institutions that would welcome additional volunteered time and resources.

Tax credits are welfare?

But only when they benefit poor kids, not energy companies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

It's not surprising. There is a lot in BBB that would benefit the union's membership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

It's not surprising. There is a lot in BBB that would benefit the union's membership.

So why is Manchin doing this? Is this more than the most ridiculous petty power-trip ever?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

It's not surprising. There is a lot in BBB that would benefit the union's membership.

So why is Manchin doing this? Is this more than the most ridiculous petty power-trip ever?

He’s doing it because he’s actually in tune with West Virginia, unlike the posters on DCUM - lol!

[Anonymous]

Co-President Manchin strikes again. He has them right where he wants them.