How does one get into the Ivy's?

[Anonymous]

Harvard takes a good- sized group from Boston Public Schools. Perhaps others have similar agreements with their local systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

"Unhooked white and Asian kids?" Probably not. In fact, it's pretty much statistically impossible.

For the class of 2021, 75.9% are white or Asian.

You typed a lot more after that, but there was no reason to read it as you admitted PP was right in your third sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Unhooked white and Asian kids?" Probably not. In fact, it's pretty much statistically impossible.

For the class of 2021, 75.9% are white or Asian.

You typed a lot more after that, but there was no reason to read it as you admitted PP was right in your third sentence.

You missed the OP's point-- unhooked is the key term. How many of the 76% are legacies, athletes, development cases, rural, first Gen, etc.?

[Anonymous]

Go to the school yourself. Then Have multiple kids and keep practicing adjusting and navigating until you get it right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Unhooked white and Asian kids?" Probably not. In fact, it's pretty much statistically impossible.

For the class of 2021, 75.9% are white or Asian.

You typed a lot more after that, but there was no reason to read it as you admitted PP was right in your third sentence.

Nope. “White and Asian” is not the same as “unhooked white and Asian.”

Is it your belief that none of the legacies admitted to Harvard are white or Asian? How about athletes? First Gen? Faculty children? Rural?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

e) family has extraordinary wealth. (Such that they are capable of 7- or 8-digit donations.) Plus good grades/test scores.

You say this on every thread. It is not the wealth itself that gets the kid accepted, it is the wealth that gives the kid access to things that get them accepted. We know one family who decided their 5th grade DD should set up a charity in Malawi building school huts. So they invested in that and that's what she does every summer. It wasn't her idea, or her cash, but she did it and it will probably impress at least one admissions person.

yes, it's the wealth itself in many cases, look at the ex-prez and some in his fam

no, nobody will be impressed that her parents set up something and she went there every summer, no more than a kid that worked at mcdonald's every summer in high school

It's definitely the wealth in some cases.

You see this play out at the "Big3" (top) DC privates.
10 kids apply to Princeton or Yale or wherever. The one that gets in has a parent who makes $15 million/year despite having mediocre or no extracurriculars and inferior grades.

I have seen this play out SO many times at my kids' school.

Agree, I’ve seen this repeatedly too.

[Anonymous]

Come from a top boarding school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come from a top boarding school

An interesting question is how much of this is the legacy effect?

According to this, about 40% of Harvard’s entering class is from the NE, but almost 40% of those students are legacies.

https://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup-narrative/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apply to lower level ivies like Cornell. That’s like WashU, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Boston University, Boston College... - except it’s an Ivy.

What an astronomically stupid comment, on multiple fronts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Unhooked white and Asian kids?" Probably not. In fact, it's pretty much statistically impossible.

For the class of 2021, 75.9% are white or Asian.

You typed a lot more after that, but there was no reason to read it as you admitted PP was right in your third sentence.

Nope. “White and Asian” is not the same as “unhooked white and Asian.”

Is it your belief that none of the legacies admitted to Harvard are white or Asian? How about athletes? First Gen? Faculty children? Rural?

I think you need to read the OPs statement again, learn the meaning of "largest", and admit that your argument is faulty because your points carry gigantic assumptions. For example "Even allowing for some overlap between hooks (First gen/recruited athlete? Legacy/Director's List? Rural/first gen?)" when in fact you don't know what percentage of those hooks are what race. You use them all as exclusions.

You don't have the facts or data to support your assumptions.

The most you can say is that PP does not know the percentage of "unhooked" and should remove that from his statement, which would weaken it. But your admission that "For the class of 2021, 75.9% are white or Asian." throws your claim out wholesale. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apply to lower level ivies like Cornell. That’s like WashU, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Boston University, Boston College... - except it’s an Ivy.

What an astronomically stupid comment, on multiple fronts.

If you read DCUM, everyone recommends to cast a wide net. What is stupid is applying only to HYP. Apply to HYP - but also apply to Cornell, Vandy, Northwestern, BU - and throw in safety state universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apply to lower level ivies like Cornell. That’s like WashU, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Boston University, Boston College... - except it’s an Ivy.

What an astronomically stupid comment, on multiple fronts.

If you read DCUM, everyone recommends to cast a wide net. What is stupid is applying only to HYP. Apply to HYP - but also apply to Cornell, Vandy, Northwestern, BU - and throw in safety state universities.

BU and BC are not at the level of the aforementioned universities.

[Anonymous]

My unhooked MCPS kid is at an ivy. No idea why she was interesting to them other than great grades and scores. Ran track for 4 years but just to stay in shape. No real talent. Minor leadership. I did not even think her essay was that great. Just apply and see what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
a)recruited athlete plus good grades/scores
b) URM plus good grades/scoresc
c) legacy plus good grades/scores

OR
d) close to perfect grades/scores and something else remarkable.


If you're not a, b or c you need a stellar academic record plus something else that sets you apart from the crowd. Something that makes you remarkable.
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What are examples of "something else remarkable"? Real ones...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
a)recruited athlete plus good grades/scores
b) URM plus good grades/scoresc
c) legacy plus good grades/scores

OR
d) close to perfect grades/scores and something else remarkable.


If you're not a, b or c you need a stellar academic record plus something else that sets you apart from the crowd. Something that makes you remarkable.
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What are examples of "something else remarkable"? Real ones...

MO, no, and no to the original PP. Receuited athletes and URMs can have stats as high as UMBC students.