De Staff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add without getting into too much detail, the position description matters as well, which I think is obvious. If you have one music teacher who is new, that teacher does not get bumped because there are fewer 3rd graders than expected and a classroom FTE is destaffed. Sounds obvious, but just throwing it out there. Things can look fishy when they are not. Not saying there are not fishy things that happen, but some people jump to conclusions.

Right. Mine was pretty cut and dry. They projected so many kids and were granted a 4th class and then didn’t have those kids and the class is gone. Lol just frustrating but par for the course. There was just no way to know for sure back when I was hired so I don’t know what else I could have done to be secure in the job.

You couldn’t have and this is why destaffs suck. Even when they don’t happen to you they happen to someone in your team and not because they did anything wrong or suck at their job. It’s just a numbers game but when you’re told you know, your relationships with the kids matter and then you see how easily they move you around, you realize to the kids we matter but to the system we are cogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add without getting into too much detail, the position description matters as well, which I think is obvious. If you have one music teacher who is new, that teacher does not get bumped because there are fewer 3rd graders than expected and a classroom FTE is destaffed. Sounds obvious, but just throwing it out there. Things can look fishy when they are not. Not saying there are not fishy things that happen, but some people jump to conclusions.

Right. Mine was pretty cut and dry. They projected so many kids and were granted a 4th class and then didn’t have those kids and the class is gone. Lol just frustrating but par for the course. There was just no way to know for sure back when I was hired so I don’t know what else I could have done to be secure in the job.

You couldn’t have and this is why destaffs suck. Even when they don’t happen to you they happen to someone in your team and not because they did anything wrong or suck at their job. It’s just a numbers game but when you’re told you know, your relationships with the kids matter and then you see how easily they move you around, you realize to the kids we matter but to the system we are cogs.

That and my observation of HR is they are running a business. They aren’t educators or looking at it from a teacher or student perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add without getting into too much detail, the position description matters as well, which I think is obvious. If you have one music teacher who is new, that teacher does not get bumped because there are fewer 3rd graders than expected and a classroom FTE is destaffed. Sounds obvious, but just throwing it out there. Things can look fishy when they are not. Not saying there are not fishy things that happen, but some people jump to conclusions.

Right. Mine was pretty cut and dry. They projected so many kids and were granted a 4th class and then didn’t have those kids and the class is gone. Lol just frustrating but par for the course. There was just no way to know for sure back when I was hired so I don’t know what else I could have done to be secure in the job.

You couldn’t have and this is why destaffs suck. Even when they don’t happen to you they happen to someone in your team and not because they did anything wrong or suck at their job. It’s just a numbers game but when you’re told you know, your relationships with the kids matter and then you see how easily they move you around, you realize to the kids we matter but to the system we are cogs.

That and my observation of HR is they are running a business. They aren’t educators or looking at it from a teacher or student perspective.

That's their job, they are responsible for maintaining FTEs. Otherwise we would never stay within budget.

[Anonymous]

Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add without getting into too much detail, the position description matters as well, which I think is obvious. If you have one music teacher who is new, that teacher does not get bumped because there are fewer 3rd graders than expected and a classroom FTE is destaffed. Sounds obvious, but just throwing it out there. Things can look fishy when they are not. Not saying there are not fishy things that happen, but some people jump to conclusions.

Right. Mine was pretty cut and dry. They projected so many kids and were granted a 4th class and then didn’t have those kids and the class is gone. Lol just frustrating but par for the course. There was just no way to know for sure back when I was hired so I don’t know what else I could have done to be secure in the job.

You couldn’t have and this is why destaffs suck. Even when they don’t happen to you they happen to someone in your team and not because they did anything wrong or suck at their job. It’s just a numbers game but when you’re told you know, your relationships with the kids matter and then you see how easily they move you around, you realize to the kids we matter but to the system we are cogs.

That and my observation of HR is they are running a business. They aren’t educators or looking at it from a teacher or student perspective.

That's their job, they are responsible for maintaining FTEs. Otherwise we would never stay within budget.

I get it. I’m just saying their is no emotion with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

15? Maybe not. 18 in a year of Learning loss? Maybe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

Sometimes yes I do. Because the next year the numbers go back up and now you’re adding someone when you could have kept the lash person and had slightly smaller classes for ONE year. It’s really disruptive to the kids and school community when a teacher gets forced out like that and it’s worse when next year they’re like “oh rehire someone lol” If it’s a clear projection of declining enrollment for years due to redistricting or a new school opening that’s different but doing this for small fluctuations every year is really hard on admin and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

Sometimes yes I do. Because the next year the numbers go back up and now you’re adding someone when you could have kept the lash person and had slightly smaller classes for ONE year. It’s really disruptive to the kids and school community when a teacher gets forced out like that and it’s worse when next year they’re like “oh rehire someone lol” If it’s a clear projection of declining enrollment for years due to redistricting or a new school opening that’s different but doing this for small fluctuations every year is really hard on admin and schools.

I'm just going to be a devil's advocate here. If they kept one extra FTE at every school, then that would be about $13M over a budget that year and I didn't include the cost of benefits - so double that number.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

Sometimes yes I do. Because the next year the numbers go back up and now you’re adding someone when you could have kept the lash person and had slightly smaller classes for ONE year. It’s really disruptive to the kids and school community when a teacher gets forced out like that and it’s worse when next year they’re like “oh rehire someone lol” If it’s a clear projection of declining enrollment for years due to redistricting or a new school opening that’s different but doing this for small fluctuations every year is really hard on admin and schools.

I'm just going to be a devil's advocate here. If they kept one extra FTE at every school, then that would be about $13M over a budget that year and I didn't include the cost of benefits - so double that number.

Well, there goes step increases (again), not sure all the teachers would agree with that to keep an employee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think they should keep extra teachers around who aren't budgeted for? Like four K classes of 15 kids each instead of 3 classes, just to keep people from having to change jobs?

Sometimes yes I do. Because the next year the numbers go back up and now you’re adding someone when you could have kept the lash person and had slightly smaller classes for ONE year. It’s really disruptive to the kids and school community when a teacher gets forced out like that and it’s worse when next year they’re like “oh rehire someone lol” If it’s a clear projection of declining enrollment for years due to redistricting or a new school opening that’s different but doing this for small fluctuations every year is really hard on admin and schools.

I'm just going to be a devil's advocate here. If they kept one extra FTE at every school, then that would be about $13M over a budget that year and I didn't include the cost of benefits - so double that number.

It wouldn’t amount to that much. There isn’t a destaff in every school every year.

[Anonymous]

Destaff is also used to get rid of employees that aren’t good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can thank the school board.

This is what happens when school enrollment drops across the board.

I worked in FCPS for 10 years - destaffing happens every single year for one reason or another to one type of teacher or another. This year actually isn't as bad as some past years, so you can't really blame covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Destaff is also used to get rid of employees that aren’t good.

Since it’s done by the employee’s hire date, can you explain how it’s done based on performance? Or are you just here sharing your unfounded theories?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Destaff is also used to get rid of employees that aren’t good.

Since it’s done by the employee’s hire date, can you explain how it’s done based on performance? Or are you just here sharing your unfounded theories?

The principal can appeal to keep the employee and move FTEs around in the other grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Destaff is also used to get rid of employees that aren’t good.

Since it’s done by the employee’s hire date, can you explain how it’s done based on performance? Or are you just here sharing your unfounded theories?

The principal can appeal to keep the employee and move FTEs around in the other grades.

So what’s your position that you know this?