AEM Facebook - “Everyone thinks they’re an expert”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

[Anonymous]

So can APS teachers actually collectively bargain now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So can APS teachers actually collectively bargain now?

Did the school board even bring it to vote yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

A lot of parents DO understand that this is the problem, but just aren’t willing to shrug their shoulders and accept things as they are. Look at next year’s enrollment. HUGE drops. Some schools almost 25%! I agree that APS is going to turn into a school system for those that can’t afford private school or to homeschool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

Hey, moron. For the millionth time, it's not the teachers.

Parents SHOULD advocate and push the general assembly, VDOE, the school board, APS, school administrators for better reading curriculum. You can do all of that without sh1tting on teachers. OK?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

Hey, moron. For the millionth time, it's not the teachers.

Parents SHOULD advocate and push the general assembly, VDOE, the school board, APS, school administrators for better reading curriculum. You can do all of that without sh1tting on teachers. OK?

PP pointed out that admin used to be teachers. So… yeah. Who else is to blame?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

Hey, moron. For the millionth time, it's not the teachers.

Parents SHOULD advocate and push the general assembly, VDOE, the school board, APS, school administrators for better reading curriculum. You can do all of that without sh1tting on teachers. OK?

PP pointed out that admin used to be teachers. So… yeah. Who else is to blame?

JFC. Teacher <> Administrator. They are two different career paths / skill sets.

What % of school superintendents were reading specialists?

Let's see. Duran hasn't been in a classroom in 22 years. And Murphy was a freaking gym teacher.

You people are mental.

Go bully someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

Hey, moron. For the millionth time, it's not the teachers.

Parents SHOULD advocate and push the general assembly, VDOE, the school board, APS, school administrators for better reading curriculum. You can do all of that without sh1tting on teachers. OK?

PP pointed out that admin used to be teachers. So… yeah. Who else is to blame?

JFC. Teacher <> Administrator. They are two different career paths / skill sets.

What % of school superintendents were reading specialists?

Let's see. Duran hasn't been in a classroom in 22 years. And Murphy was a freaking gym teacher.

You people are mental.

Go bully someone else.

But… they were both teachers. It’s not like they had some massive career shift from truck driver to school superintendent. Come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

This is where the breakdown is. Most parents don’t understand the extent that teachers must follow district/admin procedures. Even if we do know a better way of doing something we are limited in our ability, both by time and resources.

Here’s the thing- teachers don’t want parents wading into curriculum decisions, school boards don’t get to make curriculum decisions. Teachers need to hold each other accountable for the mess you’ve made of reading instruction. Admins used to be teachers, so it is a teacher culture problem. The ones who know better must use their voices to drive change.

Hey, moron. For the millionth time, it's not the teachers.

Parents SHOULD advocate and push the general assembly, VDOE, the school board, APS, school administrators for better reading curriculum. You can do all of that without sh1tting on teachers. OK?

PP pointed out that admin used to be teachers. So… yeah. Who else is to blame?

JFC. Teacher <> Administrator. They are two different career paths / skill sets.

What % of school superintendents were reading specialists?

Let's see. Duran hasn't been in a classroom in 22 years. And Murphy was a freaking gym teacher.

You people are mental.

Go bully someone else.

But… they were both teachers. It’s not like they had some massive career shift from truck driver to school superintendent. Come on.

I'm certain that neither were reading specialists.

Go bully someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the “you should apply to be a teacher” responses. No one here avoids becoming a teacher because it’s intellectually difficult. We don’t want to do it because it’s a crappy job with crappy pay.

I’m a teacher. It’s not “intellectually difficult”? That’s so insulting.

How would they know if they've never done it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the “you should apply to be a teacher” responses. No one here avoids becoming a teacher because it’s intellectually difficult. We don’t want to do it because it’s a crappy job with crappy pay.

I’m a teacher. It’s not “intellectually difficult”? That’s so insulting.

How would they know if they've never done it?

Not a teacher, and I can’t stand these rude parents, but PLEASE stop taking the bait. You’d have a better chance of winning this argument if you would just step away and focus on your work. Many of us appreciate you. Stop making yourselves look silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the “you should apply to be a teacher” responses. No one here avoids becoming a teacher because it’s intellectually difficult. We don’t want to do it because it’s a crappy job with crappy pay.

I’m a teacher. It’s not “intellectually difficult”? That’s so insulting.

How would they know if they've never done it?

Not a teacher, and I can’t stand these rude parents, but PLEASE stop taking the bait. You’d have a better chance of winning this argument if you would just step away and focus on your work. Many of us appreciate you. Stop making yourselves look silly.

+1 Ignore the trolls. They get off on your response to their bait. In fact you should consider them like you would your most immature student at school. Don't give your positive attention (your response) to their bad behavior. The more they see they can get you to respond the worse they'll get. Basically they are the mental age of 2. Let it go.

-A teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the “you should apply to be a teacher” responses. No one here avoids becoming a teacher because it’s intellectually difficult. We don’t want to do it because it’s a crappy job with crappy pay.

I’m a teacher. It’s not “intellectually difficult”? That’s so insulting.

How would they know if they've never done it?

Not a teacher, and I can’t stand these rude parents, but PLEASE stop taking the bait. You’d have a better chance of winning this argument if you would just step away and focus on your work. Many of us appreciate you. Stop making yourselves look silly.

+1 Ignore the trolls. They get off on your response to their bait. In fact you should consider them like you would your most immature student at school. Don't give your positive attention (your response) to their bad behavior. The more they see they can get you to respond the worse they'll get. Basically they are the mental age of 2. Let it go.

-A teacher

Agree mostly. It’s just that when you respond with weak arguments against their point, it actually makes you look bad. Better to just walk away!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Let's see. Duran hasn't been in a classroom in 22 years. And Murphy was a freaking gym teacher.

But… they were both teachers. It’s not like they had some massive career shift from truck driver to school superintendent. Come on.

Murphy taught gym long enough to have the school system pay for his M.Ed., and he left dealing with actual students ASAP. He wanted to be an administrator. He never had any interest in what happened in the classroom or in supporting the people who made it happen.

You don't become superintendent without years of administrative experience. I can see how that would take a couple of decades. But Duran was also a classroom teacher.