AEM Facebook - “Everyone thinks they’re an expert”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

This is a great book on the sorry state of education in the US -- but it doesn't address systemic racism, which is probably an even larger part of the story: https://www.amazon.com/Search-Deeper-Learning-Remake-American/dp/0674988396

Education is almost as big a crisis as climate change. I genuinely fear for my children and future generations.

I’m more concerned about the phones, social media, and video games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Pedagogy and school aren't mutually exclusive, ya moron

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Pedagogy and school aren't mutually exclusive, ya moron

Who claimed they are? Pedagogy is just a fancy term to make you feel better about yourself.

[Anonymous]

the only two teacher haters Iknow IRL are a work from home lobbyist and a stay at home mom. Both are sending their kids to private, thank goodness , so I don't have to listen to them anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Sweetie, pedagogy is quite literally the opposite of theory. It’s literally applied learning.

What is your evidence for the claim that many children “achieve better outcomes” outside traditional schooling? Define “many” and “better outcomes.” Show your work. (Hint: that’s some pedogagy in practice right there and if you fail to be appropriately responsive, you can just drop out of this conversation now, having been defeated resoundly in the debate.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the only two teacher haters Iknow IRL are a work from home lobbyist and a stay at home mom. Both are sending their kids to private, thank goodness , so I don't have to listen to them anymore.

What is wrong with them? Are they a-holes in general? Mental illness exacerbated by the pandemic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the only two teacher haters Iknow IRL are a work from home lobbyist and a stay at home mom. Both are sending their kids to private, thank goodness , so I don't have to listen to them anymore.

What is wrong with them? Are they a-holes in general? Mental illness exacerbated by the pandemic?

I’m not the previous poster, but there is a stay-at-home mom in my neighborhood that really hates teachers. They don’t challenge one of her kids, they can’t manage the other’s classroom. One had the nerve to be out a lot when someone in her family was sick. I think the pandemic exacerbated it. She was all kinds of pissed that she gave up a second income and teachers still got to be home with their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Sweetie, pedagogy is quite literally the opposite of theory. It’s literally applied learning.

What is your evidence for the claim that many children “achieve better outcomes” outside traditional schooling? Define “many” and “better outcomes.” Show your work. (Hint: that’s some pedogagy in practice right there and if you fail to be appropriately responsive, you can just drop out of this conversation now, having been defeated resoundly in the debate.)

I mean, you lost a lot of credibility at “sweetie”.

Here’s some evidence for you: educational outcomes for those in public schools (reading and math skills, test scores that are abysmal). Oh, and the fact that Stanford and Ivys actively look for homeschoolers. A huge proportion of their students come from private schools, which can’t be explained entirely by a better education — you have to consider money and connections. But, that isn’t true of homeschoolers.

So, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for “applied learning” (stupid). Some of us care about results. And you, sweetie, aren’t producing them.

[Anonymous]

I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. I hate this thread. The breakdown between parents and teachers is what’s ruining education. We’re supposed to be partners.

I do believe teachers are experts in child development and education, and parents are the child’s first and most important teachers. Let’s not diminish one another’s authority. That sends a bad message to our kids.

I am a parent and now homeschool teacher and I hate this thread too. Teachers do an enormously difficult job.

I used to agree with you that teachers were experts in child development and education. And then I figured out my K child was dyslexic and I entered the ugly world of elementary reading instruction. I know that public schools cannot effectively support dyslexic kids (which is a different battle), but they should be able to teach non-dyslexic kids to read. That seems like a basic requirement. (Writing instruction, both handwriting and composition, has been abandoned.)

Teachers are not trained in effective reading instruction aka the science of reading. Parents have been working for years to get this situation improved and we have been insulted at every turn. Balanced literacy is a failure. Teachers will say it is admin decisions on curriculum, but admins used to be teachers and curriculum review teams are teachers. So you all really need to accept responsibility for your failed pedagogy.

We can’t trust teachers to make good decisions/ recommendations on reading instruction. You have proved this with your support for Lucy Calkins and Fountas & Pinnel and Reading Recovery (which has been abandoned in its country of origin).

You are blaming ALL teachers for the admin's choices? Mental.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Sweetie, pedagogy is quite literally the opposite of theory. It’s literally applied learning.

What is your evidence for the claim that many children “achieve better outcomes” outside traditional schooling? Define “many” and “better outcomes.” Show your work. (Hint: that’s some pedogagy in practice right there and if you fail to be appropriately responsive, you can just drop out of this conversation now, having been defeated resoundly in the debate.)

I mean, you lost a lot of credibility at “sweetie”.

Here’s some evidence for you: educational outcomes for those in public schools (reading and math skills, test scores that are abysmal). Oh, and the fact that Stanford and Ivys actively look for homeschoolers. A huge proportion of their students come from private schools, which can’t be explained entirely by a better education — you have to consider money and connections. But, that isn’t true of homeschoolers.

So, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for “applied learning” (stupid). Some of us care about results. And you, sweetie, aren’t producing them.

Are you homeschooling your kid because....you think it gives him a shot at Stanford?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Everyone thinks they’re an expert on schools because they were once a student. But thinking you know how to teach kindergarten because you were once a kindergartener is like thinking you could direct a movie because you once watched Star Wars. Teaching is an art and a science. It requires specialized education and years of practice. Listen to teachers.”

Can someone explain the state of education in the US then? So many kids are failing.

And while you’re at it, explain how there are many homeschool success stories. We know many families nationwide that chose to homeschool during the pandemic rather than suffer through virtual school. Kids that were behind in math and reading were able to catch up (and some were able to progress beyond grade level) when they were given one-on-one attention and met where they were at.

SJH kills me. “SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!” She’s unhinged! 🤣

I’m not on AEM and have no idea who you are talking about but oh my god- don’t compare homeschooling to public school. Homeschooling is literally one on one instruction all day long, and usually at the cost of one parent’s income since they are home. People that aren’t teachers should be involved in decisions about how schools are run but that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-teachers out there that could be teachers if they wanted to.

Pointing out that teaching does NOT require specialized education. Teaching 30 first graders? Yes. Teaching grammar and spelling? No.

Then what is pedagogy?

Just theory to make teachers feel better about themselves. Too bad many children achieve better outcomes outside of traditional school settings.

I mean, take a look at effing Lucy Calkins. All of you “experts” followed her like sheep!

Sweetie, pedagogy is quite literally the opposite of theory. It’s literally applied learning.

What is your evidence for the claim that many children “achieve better outcomes” outside traditional schooling? Define “many” and “better outcomes.” Show your work. (Hint: that’s some pedogagy in practice right there and if you fail to be appropriately responsive, you can just drop out of this conversation now, having been defeated resoundly in the debate.)

I mean, you lost a lot of credibility at “sweetie”.

Here’s some evidence for you: educational outcomes for those in public schools (reading and math skills, test scores that are abysmal). Oh, and the fact that Stanford and Ivys actively look for homeschoolers. A huge proportion of their students come from private schools, which can’t be explained entirely by a better education — you have to consider money and connections. But, that isn’t true of homeschoolers.

So, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for “applied learning” (stupid). Some of us care about results. And you, sweetie, aren’t producing them.

Are you homeschooling your kid because....you think it gives him a shot at Stanford?

Where did I imply that? I’m not even homeschooling my kid. Just proving my point. The top institutions are actively seeking students that have been educated outside of the traditional mill setting.