All these new bike lanes that the city put in downturn during the pandemic are dumb

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Anonymous wrote:There’s just no other way to reduce traffic and congestion other then making driving more inconvenient then other forms of transportation. Congestion is one form of inconvenience, but no matter how many roads and parking you build there always will be congestion, because people just prefer to drive. You build roads and they will come. But you build bike lanes, add more busses and people who have that option will chose to leave their cars home if it means cutting their commute time and cost.

There's nothing inevitable here. DC is choosing to make traffic much worse by putting in bike lanes. Maybe some tiny fraction of drivers will switch to bikes, but the vast majority of people will not even consider biking. It's just not practical for most people for a whole litany of reasons. If it's too hard to drive downtown, people will just go elsewhere.

If DC actually cared about these issues, it would stop neglecting the metro system. That's obviously the single best thing the city could do in terms of moving people around efficiently and with the least amount of damage to the environment. And we know people will ride the subway if it doesnt suck. But the city has shortchanged metro for years, people have left in droves and there's no sign that's going to change anytime soon.

Isn't that what happened in Paris? Lots more people started biking? Why exactly can't we? Too lazy?

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Bikes lanes -- and bike commuting -- are great for single / childless people who's main concern is scooting to work, the coffee shop, or the bar. Not so great for people with families who need to get kids to/from school on their commutes (I live in DC and work in VA [neither home nor work near metro]), older people not up for biking, the disabled, etc.

Those that wish to squeeze out private cars may win, but we won't become Peking 1960 -- instead, DC will be overflowing with taxis, Uber, and Lyft.

My neighbor has three kids and commutes them to school and day care every day on his bike. I seriously have no idea what world you live in that you know no one who does these things.

That seems insanely dangerous. They are one stoned driver away from blowing up their family tree.

That's true when they get in a car, too.

Sure, but cars have airbags and seatbelts and people have two tons of steel wrapped around them. Bicyclists have...helmets that do almost nothing except provide a false sense of security.

One of the more dangerous things you can do for your kids is have them live a car-dependent life.

it's also true- accidents are a leading cause of death for kids in the US

This sounds like some goofy hippy bumper sticker. Cars make people's lives better. Why else do you think people drive? Cars are expensive and if they didn't make people's lives significantly better, they wouldnt bother with the expense.

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What they have done to 20th St NW from E St to Dupont Circle is incomprehensible with all the turn lanes and bollards that shift 2-3 times a block. Admittedly, I am not an engineer, so there may be a method to the madness. Maybe it will get better when (if) DC starts ticketing illegally parked cars and delivery trucks, but I can't imagine the nightmare if we ever return to anywhere near the pre-pandemic traffic volume.

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Bikes lanes -- and bike commuting -- are great for single / childless people who's main concern is scooting to work, the coffee shop, or the bar. Not so great for people with families who need to get kids to/from school on their commutes (I live in DC and work in VA [neither home nor work near metro]), older people not up for biking, the disabled, etc.

Those that wish to squeeze out private cars may win, but we won't become Peking 1960 -- instead, DC will be overflowing with taxis, Uber, and Lyft.

My neighbor has three kids and commutes them to school and day care every day on his bike. I seriously have no idea what world you live in that you know no one who does these things.

That seems insanely dangerous. They are one stoned driver away from blowing up their family tree.

That's true when they get in a car, too.

Sure, but cars have airbags and seatbelts and people have two tons of steel wrapped around them. Bicyclists have...helmets that do almost nothing except provide a false sense of security.

One of the more dangerous things you can do for your kids is have them live a car-dependent life.

it's also true- accidents are a leading cause of death for kids in the US

This sounds like some goofy hippy bumper sticker. Cars make people's lives better. Why else do you think people drive? Cars are expensive and if they didn't make people's lives significantly better, they wouldnt bother with the expense.

HAHAHAHA. Oh I can’t with the car-addled boomers on this board.

Sweetie, people drive because *they have literally no other choice*. I have severe PTSD from being in a bad accident and would strongly prefer to never get in a car again as long as I live, but I do anyway, because there is literally no other option. Cars do not “make my life better”, unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:They're going to make traffic and parking impossible. And then what will happen? People will stop going downtown. They'll work from home more and generally do everything they can to avoid going downtown. Sorry downtown businesses! Sorry people who like their downtowns vibrant!

Just like with the minimum wage thing, the bike nuts are going to learn what the socialists learned about the center of power in this town. If there is even a suspicion that they are hurting businesses they will be taken out.

Wow. Someone's mad...this has been in the works for years. There's a reason D.C. is the #1 city in the U.S. for bikes traffic. And guess what? More foot traffic (literally) means more tourists and visitors who can take the time to shop, play, and gather at local D.C. businesses.

I think you are confused. There is no anger here, just pointing out the obvious.

I'm also not sure how your math works. Bike lanes lead to more foot traffic that leads to more tourists arriving on airplanes? It makes no sense. Good luck for the average person shopping with a bike, riding away with a bag hanging from their handlebars causing friction against the front wheel. Sounds like utopia.

I guess you haven't seen the hundreds of thousands in the US and millions globally who shop using bikes and *gasp* carry stuff on cargo racks or paniers.

The average person is not going to spend $2500 on a cargo bike. It just shows how out of touch you are.

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Anonymous wrote:What they have done to 20th St NW from E St to Dupont Circle is incomprehensible with all the turn lanes and bollards that shift 2-3 times a block. Admittedly, I am not an engineer, so there may be a method to the madness. Maybe it will get better when (if) DC starts ticketing illegally parked cars and delivery trucks, but I can't imagine the nightmare if we ever return to anywhere near the pre-pandemic traffic volume.

My favorite thing about all of these GGW shills is that they are like communists, their ideas are always perfect by implemented poorly. The streetcar is a great example.

With the bike lanes, it will be the same thing once it is faced with a reality test. They will complain that the government implemented it poorly or some such and it will always be a different or better design that is the answer that just costs substantially more money.

Just wait, it's the same thing every time with these people.

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Bikes lanes -- and bike commuting -- are great for single / childless people who's main concern is scooting to work, the coffee shop, or the bar. Not so great for people with families who need to get kids to/from school on their commutes (I live in DC and work in VA [neither home nor work near metro]), older people not up for biking, the disabled, etc.

Those that wish to squeeze out private cars may win, but we won't become Peking 1960 -- instead, DC will be overflowing with taxis, Uber, and Lyft.

My neighbor has three kids and commutes them to school and day care every day on his bike. I seriously have no idea what world you live in that you know no one who does these things.

That seems insanely dangerous. They are one stoned driver away from blowing up their family tree.

That's true when they get in a car, too.

Sure, but cars have airbags and seatbelts and people have two tons of steel wrapped around them. Bicyclists have...helmets that do almost nothing except provide a false sense of security.

One of the more dangerous things you can do for your kids is have them live a car-dependent life.

it's also true- accidents are a leading cause of death for kids in the US

This sounds like some goofy hippy bumper sticker. Cars make people's lives better. Why else do you think people drive? Cars are expensive and if they didn't make people's lives significantly better, they wouldnt bother with the expense.

HAHAHAHA. Oh I can’t with the car-addled boomers on this board.

Sweetie, people drive because *they have literally no other choice*. I have severe PTSD from being in a bad accident and would strongly prefer to never get in a car again as long as I live, but I do anyway, because there is literally no other option. Cars do not “make my life better”, unreal.

I'm a geriatric millennial with kids and I think you bike people are a bit nuts personally.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny how easy it is to trigger the bike weirdos. I wonder if a bat signal went out or if its just the same person posting over and over and over.

It’s the same two people. You can recognize their verbiage. They do a forum search for keywords and then make 100% of the pro-bike-whatever posts in the whole thread, every time there’s a discussion of anything bike-related. The rest of the world is united in their disdain for MAMIL’s, but if you don’t realize it’s the same couple posters over and over again, you’d think they were everywhere. They’re not.

someone has an ax to grind and it’s not the people who like bike lanes ...

[Anonymous]

I live in the city. I work in the city. I shop in the city. I pay taxes in the city. And I bike in the city. There are lots of folks like me, and we deserve to have streets that work for us, as well as for cars and for commuters and for pedestrians and for scooters and for busses. No one transportation solution is going to work for everyone or for anyone all of the time. But, the city is doing a good job of working toward a model that integrates and enables lots of different ways of getting around. I, for one, support it.

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Anonymous wrote:making traffic worse, no matter how you do it -- whether it's with too many cars or by reducing the capacity of streets to accommodate cars -- fuels sprawl. so, good job, dc.

how does it fuel sprawl? it should fuel people using mass transit.

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Anonymous wrote:What they have done to 20th St NW from E St to Dupont Circle is incomprehensible with all the turn lanes and bollards that shift 2-3 times a block. Admittedly, I am not an engineer, so there may be a method to the madness. Maybe it will get better when (if) DC starts ticketing illegally parked cars and delivery trucks, but I can't imagine the nightmare if we ever return to anywhere near the pre-pandemic traffic volume.

My favorite thing about all of these GGW shills is that they are like communists, their ideas are always perfect by implemented poorly. The streetcar is a great example.

With the bike lanes, it will be the same thing once it is faced with a reality test. They will complain that the government implemented it poorly or some such and it will always be a different or better design that is the answer that just costs substantially more money.

Just wait, it's the same thing every time with these people.

do you ... honestly think that bike lanes are some kind of crazy newfangled communist plot? you’re weird.

[Anonymous]

Bike lanes mostly seem like a political statement. 95 percent of Washingtonians will never use them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s just no other way to reduce traffic and congestion other then making driving more inconvenient then other forms of transportation. Congestion is one form of inconvenience, but no matter how many roads and parking you build there always will be congestion, because people just prefer to drive. You build roads and they will come. But you build bike lanes, add more busses and people who have that option will chose to leave their cars home if it means cutting their commute time and cost.

There's nothing inevitable here. DC is choosing to make traffic much worse by putting in bike lanes. Maybe some tiny fraction of drivers will switch to bikes, but the vast majority of people will not even consider biking. It's just not practical for most people for a whole litany of reasons. If it's too hard to drive downtown, people will just go elsewhere.

If DC actually cared about these issues, it would stop neglecting the metro system. That's obviously the single best thing the city could do in terms of moving people around efficiently and with the least amount of damage to the environment. And we know people will ride the subway if it doesnt suck. But the city has shortchanged metro for years, people have left in droves and there's no sign that's going to change anytime soon.

you aren’t *supposed* to be driving 30+ mph downtown. if bikelanes make traffic impossibly unbearable for you, you were driving too fast.

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Bikes lanes -- and bike commuting -- are great for single / childless people who's main concern is scooting to work, the coffee shop, or the bar. Not so great for people with families who need to get kids to/from school on their commutes (I live in DC and work in VA [neither home nor work near metro]), older people not up for biking, the disabled, etc.

Those that wish to squeeze out private cars may win, but we won't become Peking 1960 -- instead, DC will be overflowing with taxis, Uber, and Lyft.

My neighbor has three kids and commutes them to school and day care every day on his bike. I seriously have no idea what world you live in that you know no one who does these things.

That seems insanely dangerous. They are one stoned driver away from blowing up their family tree.

That's true when they get in a car, too.

Sure, but cars have airbags and seatbelts and people have two tons of steel wrapped around them. Bicyclists have...helmets that do almost nothing except provide a false sense of security.

One of the more dangerous things you can do for your kids is have them live a car-dependent life.

it's also true- accidents are a leading cause of death for kids in the US

This sounds like some goofy hippy bumper sticker. Cars make people's lives better. Why else do you think people drive? Cars are expensive and if they didn't make people's lives significantly better, they wouldnt bother with the expense.

HAHAHAHA. Oh I can’t with the car-addled boomers on this board.

Sweetie, people drive because *they have literally no other choice*. I have severe PTSD from being in a bad accident and would strongly prefer to never get in a car again as long as I live, but I do anyway, because there is literally no other option. Cars do not “make my life better”, unreal.

I'm a geriatric millennial with kids and I think you bike people are a bit nuts personally.

I mean, no “crazy bike people” started this thread. It was started by a non-DC resident freaking out about basic transic infrastructure because it will make them slow down a little and claiming it will bankrupt downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:They're going to make traffic and parking impossible. And then what will happen? People will stop going downtown. They'll work from home more and generally do everything they can to avoid going downtown. Sorry downtown businesses! Sorry people who like their downtowns vibrant!

Just like with the minimum wage thing, the bike nuts are going to learn what the socialists learned about the center of power in this town. If there is even a suspicion that they are hurting businesses they will be taken out.

Wow. Someone's mad...this has been in the works for years. There's a reason D.C. is the #1 city in the U.S. for bikes traffic. And guess what? More foot traffic (literally) means more tourists and visitors who can take the time to shop, play, and gather at local D.C. businesses.

I think you are confused. There is no anger here, just pointing out the obvious.

I'm also not sure how your math works. Bike lanes lead to more foot traffic that leads to more tourists arriving on airplanes? It makes no sense. Good luck for the average person shopping with a bike, riding away with a bag hanging from their handlebars causing friction against the front wheel. Sounds like utopia.

I guess you haven't seen the hundreds of thousands in the US and millions globally who shop using bikes and *gasp* carry stuff on cargo racks or paniers.

The average person is not going to spend $2500 on a cargo bike. It just shows how out of touch you are.

Do you know how much a car costs??