Do we still have to wear masks in gyms?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fully vaccinated, and going back to the gym was the first thing I did. Masks need to be required there until more adults are vaccinated, period. We're not talking about outdoors, we're talking about people breathing heavily indoors, FFS.

I get that exercising indoors maskless really freaks many people out, but many of us have been doing it for nearly an entire year, with no whispers of covid at our gyms, or ourselves (including not being asymptomatic). You do you, but many of us are not worried.

And you know that, how? Do you honestly expect everyone is going to report their COVID cases to their gyms? Do you honestly trust the gyms to report these cases to all their clients? I sure don't. I'll trust the many scientists who have long considered working out at gyms, indoors, as high risk activities with respect to COVID over some random person on the internet, but hey, you do you.

I know that because I became a "gymrat" 6 years ago, when I lost over 50lbs. I've made friends with people, trainers, instructors, and staff. I've spent probably 7 hours a week unmasked at gyms since they reopened, and have never gotten covid (and no antibodies). I see the same people day after day, week after week, and they're also still healthy.

I get it, you probably haven't been to a gym in the past year and 2 months, and the mystery confuses you. But don't pretend to have an idea of what you're talking about with zero experience.

Honey, I’ll take the advice of public health experts over your anecdata any day. Because, yes, they do know more about these things than you do.

Yes sweetie pie, because experts have regularly hit the nail on the head with regard to covid. But if you want to make more excuses to not exercise and work on your physical and mental health, don't blame others for pointing out the repeated excuses -- as you sit at home knowing nothing about what you're talking about, blaming everyone but individual responsibility and sovereign choices when it comes to obesity.

I feel sorry for you, PP. It must be hard to be so miserable that you make up stories—which are completely false—about strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

lol wait what? You haven't even been to a maskless gym (probably any gym, period) and are claiming that the know about risk there - yet I'm the one making up stories? Pot, meet kettle.

Get thee to a gym. Get your vaccine. Take a zumba class without a mask. Have good, healthy, safe fun. Do it again and again and again.

No, see, this is where you’re making sh*t up to resolve your own cognitive dissonance. I am vaccinated. I went back to the gym as soon as I was fully vaccinated (which you’d know if you were paying attention to my earlier post you responded to). I have no interest in a maskless gym right now, not because I worry about getting sick myself, but because most adults in this country aren’t vaccinated and I don’t want to encourage *them* to go maskless in gyms. Also, I worked out hard, daily, at home for this entire pandemic because I can be flexible about my workouts—a habit I learned from 14+ years as a competitive athlete, and which stuck with me in the the 16 years since I stopped competing.

Last but not least, the risk level in gyms isn’t something *I* made up, it’s something that public health experts have agreed is one of the riskiest things to do, indoors, unmasked (chart here: https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=54216 ). I’ve had kids in childcare this past year, so I sure as hell wasn’t going to risk their caregivers’ health by going to the gym unmasked.

Your link is nearly a year old - gyms have been open a year. Got any other actual data that's current?

PP was arguing that she’s been going to the gym safely, unmasked, for the past year, i.e., when this link was published. Instead of owning the truth - that she took a risk and got lucky - she’s been making all kinds of mean-spirited assumptions about those of us who weren’t willing to take that risk back then. Her inability to just say, yeah, I got lucky, is striking.

As for now, there are definitely ways to open gyms safely, unmasked and unvaccinated, but it’s not clear that most gyms have taken those mitigation steps.

Look I've been taking the same gym glasses for nearly a year, in person, without a mask. In rooms of 10-45 people. And general machine usage. I see the same people in those classes multiple times a week. I haven't gotten covid, and neither have they. And I know for certain that I didn't get it even asymptomatically in the 500 or so maskless hours I've spent at the gym in the past year.

I know doctors (even ones who work directly with covid patients) who've been to their gyms maskless. No covid. The 100-200 people I know who've been to the gym maskless (and covid free) are not all extraordinarily lucky - for whatever reason, covid just doesn't seem to be spreading at gyms. Yes I get that it makes no sense to you, but this isn't just my "luck" - its the experience of so, so, so many people. I know it, they know it, and that's the truth.

The more you repeat "I know" without referring to any actual peer-reviewed data - or even informed theories, FFS - the less you truly do know.

I get it. You're heavily invested in believing what you believe and no one can tell you otherwise. That's extremely common, particularly when people are stressed out, but it's not ideal cognitive functioning.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fully vaccinated, and going back to the gym was the first thing I did. Masks need to be required there until more adults are vaccinated, period. We're not talking about outdoors, we're talking about people breathing heavily indoors, FFS.

I get that exercising indoors maskless really freaks many people out, but many of us have been doing it for nearly an entire year, with no whispers of covid at our gyms, or ourselves (including not being asymptomatic). You do you, but many of us are not worried.

And you know that, how? Do you honestly expect everyone is going to report their COVID cases to their gyms? Do you honestly trust the gyms to report these cases to all their clients? I sure don't. I'll trust the many scientists who have long considered working out at gyms, indoors, as high risk activities with respect to COVID over some random person on the internet, but hey, you do you.

I know that because I became a "gymrat" 6 years ago, when I lost over 50lbs. I've made friends with people, trainers, instructors, and staff. I've spent probably 7 hours a week unmasked at gyms since they reopened, and have never gotten covid (and no antibodies). I see the same people day after day, week after week, and they're also still healthy.

I get it, you probably haven't been to a gym in the past year and 2 months, and the mystery confuses you. But don't pretend to have an idea of what you're talking about with zero experience.

Honey, I’ll take the advice of public health experts over your anecdata any day. Because, yes, they do know more about these things than you do.

Yes sweetie pie, because experts have regularly hit the nail on the head with regard to covid. But if you want to make more excuses to not exercise and work on your physical and mental health, don't blame others for pointing out the repeated excuses -- as you sit at home knowing nothing about what you're talking about, blaming everyone but individual responsibility and sovereign choices when it comes to obesity.

I feel sorry for you, PP. It must be hard to be so miserable that you make up stories—which are completely false—about strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

lol wait what? You haven't even been to a maskless gym (probably any gym, period) and are claiming that the know about risk there - yet I'm the one making up stories? Pot, meet kettle.

Get thee to a gym. Get your vaccine. Take a zumba class without a mask. Have good, healthy, safe fun. Do it again and again and again.

No, see, this is where you’re making sh*t up to resolve your own cognitive dissonance. I am vaccinated. I went back to the gym as soon as I was fully vaccinated (which you’d know if you were paying attention to my earlier post you responded to). I have no interest in a maskless gym right now, not because I worry about getting sick myself, but because most adults in this country aren’t vaccinated and I don’t want to encourage *them* to go maskless in gyms. Also, I worked out hard, daily, at home for this entire pandemic because I can be flexible about my workouts—a habit I learned from 14+ years as a competitive athlete, and which stuck with me in the the 16 years since I stopped competing.

Last but not least, the risk level in gyms isn’t something *I* made up, it’s something that public health experts have agreed is one of the riskiest things to do, indoors, unmasked (chart here: https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=54216 ). I’ve had kids in childcare this past year, so I sure as hell wasn’t going to risk their caregivers’ health by going to the gym unmasked.

Your link is nearly a year old - gyms have been open a year. Got any other actual data that's current?

PP was arguing that she’s been going to the gym safely, unmasked, for the past year, i.e., when this link was published. Instead of owning the truth - that she took a risk and got lucky - she’s been making all kinds of mean-spirited assumptions about those of us who weren’t willing to take that risk back then. Her inability to just say, yeah, I got lucky, is striking.

As for now, there are definitely ways to open gyms safely, unmasked and unvaccinated, but it’s not clear that most gyms have taken those mitigation steps.

Look I've been taking the same gym glasses for nearly a year, in person, without a mask. In rooms of 10-45 people. And general machine usage. I see the same people in those classes multiple times a week. I haven't gotten covid, and neither have they. And I know for certain that I didn't get it even asymptomatically in the 500 or so maskless hours I've spent at the gym in the past year.

I know doctors (even ones who work directly with covid patients) who've been to their gyms maskless. No covid. The 100-200 people I know who've been to the gym maskless (and covid free) are not all extraordinarily lucky - for whatever reason, covid just doesn't seem to be spreading at gyms. Yes I get that it makes no sense to you, but this isn't just my "luck" - its the experience of so, so, so many people. I know it, they know it, and that's the truth.

The more you repeat "I know" without referring to any actual peer-reviewed data - or even informed theories, FFS - the less you truly do know.

I get it. You're heavily invested in believing what you believe and no one can tell you otherwise. That's extremely common, particularly when people are stressed out, but it's not ideal cognitive functioning.

I am not the PP, but what kind of peer-reviewed information can you offer that shows gyms are a danger, when the existing evidence clearly shows they are not. The original guideline showed gyms as high risk under the assumption that people just behave as they did in the past while the pandemic is raging. No gyms were actually operating in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fully vaccinated, and going back to the gym was the first thing I did. Masks need to be required there until more adults are vaccinated, period. We're not talking about outdoors, we're talking about people breathing heavily indoors, FFS.

I get that exercising indoors maskless really freaks many people out, but many of us have been doing it for nearly an entire year, with no whispers of covid at our gyms, or ourselves (including not being asymptomatic). You do you, but many of us are not worried.

And you know that, how? Do you honestly expect everyone is going to report their COVID cases to their gyms? Do you honestly trust the gyms to report these cases to all their clients? I sure don't. I'll trust the many scientists who have long considered working out at gyms, indoors, as high risk activities with respect to COVID over some random person on the internet, but hey, you do you.

I know that because I became a "gymrat" 6 years ago, when I lost over 50lbs. I've made friends with people, trainers, instructors, and staff. I've spent probably 7 hours a week unmasked at gyms since they reopened, and have never gotten covid (and no antibodies). I see the same people day after day, week after week, and they're also still healthy.

I get it, you probably haven't been to a gym in the past year and 2 months, and the mystery confuses you. But don't pretend to have an idea of what you're talking about with zero experience.

Honey, I’ll take the advice of public health experts over your anecdata any day. Because, yes, they do know more about these things than you do.

Yes sweetie pie, because experts have regularly hit the nail on the head with regard to covid. But if you want to make more excuses to not exercise and work on your physical and mental health, don't blame others for pointing out the repeated excuses -- as you sit at home knowing nothing about what you're talking about, blaming everyone but individual responsibility and sovereign choices when it comes to obesity.

I feel sorry for you, PP. It must be hard to be so miserable that you make up stories—which are completely false—about strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

lol wait what? You haven't even been to a maskless gym (probably any gym, period) and are claiming that the know about risk there - yet I'm the one making up stories? Pot, meet kettle.

Get thee to a gym. Get your vaccine. Take a zumba class without a mask. Have good, healthy, safe fun. Do it again and again and again.

No, see, this is where you’re making sh*t up to resolve your own cognitive dissonance. I am vaccinated. I went back to the gym as soon as I was fully vaccinated (which you’d know if you were paying attention to my earlier post you responded to). I have no interest in a maskless gym right now, not because I worry about getting sick myself, but because most adults in this country aren’t vaccinated and I don’t want to encourage *them* to go maskless in gyms. Also, I worked out hard, daily, at home for this entire pandemic because I can be flexible about my workouts—a habit I learned from 14+ years as a competitive athlete, and which stuck with me in the the 16 years since I stopped competing.

Last but not least, the risk level in gyms isn’t something *I* made up, it’s something that public health experts have agreed is one of the riskiest things to do, indoors, unmasked (chart here: https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=54216 ). I’ve had kids in childcare this past year, so I sure as hell wasn’t going to risk their caregivers’ health by going to the gym unmasked.

Your link is nearly a year old - gyms have been open a year. Got any other actual data that's current?

PP was arguing that she’s been going to the gym safely, unmasked, for the past year, i.e., when this link was published. Instead of owning the truth - that she took a risk and got lucky - she’s been making all kinds of mean-spirited assumptions about those of us who weren’t willing to take that risk back then. Her inability to just say, yeah, I got lucky, is striking.

As for now, there are definitely ways to open gyms safely, unmasked and unvaccinated, but it’s not clear that most gyms have taken those mitigation steps.

Look I've been taking the same gym glasses for nearly a year, in person, without a mask. In rooms of 10-45 people. And general machine usage. I see the same people in those classes multiple times a week. I haven't gotten covid, and neither have they. And I know for certain that I didn't get it even asymptomatically in the 500 or so maskless hours I've spent at the gym in the past year.

I know doctors (even ones who work directly with covid patients) who've been to their gyms maskless. No covid. The 100-200 people I know who've been to the gym maskless (and covid free) are not all extraordinarily lucky - for whatever reason, covid just doesn't seem to be spreading at gyms. Yes I get that it makes no sense to you, but this isn't just my "luck" - its the experience of so, so, so many people. I know it, they know it, and that's the truth.

The more you repeat "I know" without referring to any actual peer-reviewed data - or even informed theories, FFS - the less you truly do know.

I get it. You're heavily invested in believing what you believe and no one can tell you otherwise. That's extremely common, particularly when people are stressed out, but it's not ideal cognitive functioning.

I am not the PP, but what kind of peer-reviewed information can you offer that shows gyms are a danger, when the existing evidence clearly shows they are not. The original guideline showed gyms as high risk under the assumption that people just behave as they did in the past while the pandemic is raging. No gyms were actually operating in that way.

And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fully vaccinated, and going back to the gym was the first thing I did. Masks need to be required there until more adults are vaccinated, period. We're not talking about outdoors, we're talking about people breathing heavily indoors, FFS.

I get that exercising indoors maskless really freaks many people out, but many of us have been doing it for nearly an entire year, with no whispers of covid at our gyms, or ourselves (including not being asymptomatic). You do you, but many of us are not worried.

And you know that, how? Do you honestly expect everyone is going to report their COVID cases to their gyms? Do you honestly trust the gyms to report these cases to all their clients? I sure don't. I'll trust the many scientists who have long considered working out at gyms, indoors, as high risk activities with respect to COVID over some random person on the internet, but hey, you do you.

I know that because I became a "gymrat" 6 years ago, when I lost over 50lbs. I've made friends with people, trainers, instructors, and staff. I've spent probably 7 hours a week unmasked at gyms since they reopened, and have never gotten covid (and no antibodies). I see the same people day after day, week after week, and they're also still healthy.

I get it, you probably haven't been to a gym in the past year and 2 months, and the mystery confuses you. But don't pretend to have an idea of what you're talking about with zero experience.

Honey, I’ll take the advice of public health experts over your anecdata any day. Because, yes, they do know more about these things than you do.

Yes sweetie pie, because experts have regularly hit the nail on the head with regard to covid. But if you want to make more excuses to not exercise and work on your physical and mental health, don't blame others for pointing out the repeated excuses -- as you sit at home knowing nothing about what you're talking about, blaming everyone but individual responsibility and sovereign choices when it comes to obesity.

I feel sorry for you, PP. It must be hard to be so miserable that you make up stories—which are completely false—about strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

lol wait what? You haven't even been to a maskless gym (probably any gym, period) and are claiming that the know about risk there - yet I'm the one making up stories? Pot, meet kettle.

Get thee to a gym. Get your vaccine. Take a zumba class without a mask. Have good, healthy, safe fun. Do it again and again and again.

No, see, this is where you’re making sh*t up to resolve your own cognitive dissonance. I am vaccinated. I went back to the gym as soon as I was fully vaccinated (which you’d know if you were paying attention to my earlier post you responded to). I have no interest in a maskless gym right now, not because I worry about getting sick myself, but because most adults in this country aren’t vaccinated and I don’t want to encourage *them* to go maskless in gyms. Also, I worked out hard, daily, at home for this entire pandemic because I can be flexible about my workouts—a habit I learned from 14+ years as a competitive athlete, and which stuck with me in the the 16 years since I stopped competing.

Last but not least, the risk level in gyms isn’t something *I* made up, it’s something that public health experts have agreed is one of the riskiest things to do, indoors, unmasked (chart here: https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=54216 ). I’ve had kids in childcare this past year, so I sure as hell wasn’t going to risk their caregivers’ health by going to the gym unmasked.

Your link is nearly a year old - gyms have been open a year. Got any other actual data that's current?

PP was arguing that she’s been going to the gym safely, unmasked, for the past year, i.e., when this link was published. Instead of owning the truth - that she took a risk and got lucky - she’s been making all kinds of mean-spirited assumptions about those of us who weren’t willing to take that risk back then. Her inability to just say, yeah, I got lucky, is striking.

As for now, there are definitely ways to open gyms safely, unmasked and unvaccinated, but it’s not clear that most gyms have taken those mitigation steps.

Look I've been taking the same gym glasses for nearly a year, in person, without a mask. In rooms of 10-45 people. And general machine usage. I see the same people in those classes multiple times a week. I haven't gotten covid, and neither have they. And I know for certain that I didn't get it even asymptomatically in the 500 or so maskless hours I've spent at the gym in the past year.

I know doctors (even ones who work directly with covid patients) who've been to their gyms maskless. No covid. The 100-200 people I know who've been to the gym maskless (and covid free) are not all extraordinarily lucky - for whatever reason, covid just doesn't seem to be spreading at gyms. Yes I get that it makes no sense to you, but this isn't just my "luck" - its the experience of so, so, so many people. I know it, they know it, and that's the truth.

The more you repeat "I know" without referring to any actual peer-reviewed data - or even informed theories, FFS - the less you truly do know.

I get it. You're heavily invested in believing what you believe and no one can tell you otherwise. That's extremely common, particularly when people are stressed out, but it's not ideal cognitive functioning.

So then provide some peer-reviewed data that backs your claim up that gyms have been risky. There are small handful of outbreaks (a very small, packed spin studio in Canada for example) but we get it, reality of very low risk hasn't conformed to your fear and you don't know how to respond to that.

If you're not ready to work out maskless in a gym, that's fine, but you look like a fool claiming to know what conditions have been like, or that covid has been risky at gyms, while you continue to provide zero concluded research, and having zero experience yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fully vaccinated, and going back to the gym was the first thing I did. Masks need to be required there until more adults are vaccinated, period. We're not talking about outdoors, we're talking about people breathing heavily indoors, FFS.

I get that exercising indoors maskless really freaks many people out, but many of us have been doing it for nearly an entire year, with no whispers of covid at our gyms, or ourselves (including not being asymptomatic). You do you, but many of us are not worried.

And you know that, how? Do you honestly expect everyone is going to report their COVID cases to their gyms? Do you honestly trust the gyms to report these cases to all their clients? I sure don't. I'll trust the many scientists who have long considered working out at gyms, indoors, as high risk activities with respect to COVID over some random person on the internet, but hey, you do you.

I know that because I became a "gymrat" 6 years ago, when I lost over 50lbs. I've made friends with people, trainers, instructors, and staff. I've spent probably 7 hours a week unmasked at gyms since they reopened, and have never gotten covid (and no antibodies). I see the same people day after day, week after week, and they're also still healthy.

I get it, you probably haven't been to a gym in the past year and 2 months, and the mystery confuses you. But don't pretend to have an idea of what you're talking about with zero experience.

Honey, I’ll take the advice of public health experts over your anecdata any day. Because, yes, they do know more about these things than you do.

Yes sweetie pie, because experts have regularly hit the nail on the head with regard to covid. But if you want to make more excuses to not exercise and work on your physical and mental health, don't blame others for pointing out the repeated excuses -- as you sit at home knowing nothing about what you're talking about, blaming everyone but individual responsibility and sovereign choices when it comes to obesity.

I feel sorry for you, PP. It must be hard to be so miserable that you make up stories—which are completely false—about strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

lol wait what? You haven't even been to a maskless gym (probably any gym, period) and are claiming that the know about risk there - yet I'm the one making up stories? Pot, meet kettle.

Get thee to a gym. Get your vaccine. Take a zumba class without a mask. Have good, healthy, safe fun. Do it again and again and again.

No, see, this is where you’re making sh*t up to resolve your own cognitive dissonance. I am vaccinated. I went back to the gym as soon as I was fully vaccinated (which you’d know if you were paying attention to my earlier post you responded to). I have no interest in a maskless gym right now, not because I worry about getting sick myself, but because most adults in this country aren’t vaccinated and I don’t want to encourage *them* to go maskless in gyms. Also, I worked out hard, daily, at home for this entire pandemic because I can be flexible about my workouts—a habit I learned from 14+ years as a competitive athlete, and which stuck with me in the the 16 years since I stopped competing.

Last but not least, the risk level in gyms isn’t something *I* made up, it’s something that public health experts have agreed is one of the riskiest things to do, indoors, unmasked (chart here: https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=54216 ). I’ve had kids in childcare this past year, so I sure as hell wasn’t going to risk their caregivers’ health by going to the gym unmasked.

Your link is nearly a year old - gyms have been open a year. Got any other actual data that's current?

PP was arguing that she’s been going to the gym safely, unmasked, for the past year, i.e., when this link was published. Instead of owning the truth - that she took a risk and got lucky - she’s been making all kinds of mean-spirited assumptions about those of us who weren’t willing to take that risk back then. Her inability to just say, yeah, I got lucky, is striking.

As for now, there are definitely ways to open gyms safely, unmasked and unvaccinated, but it’s not clear that most gyms have taken those mitigation steps.

Look I've been taking the same gym glasses for nearly a year, in person, without a mask. In rooms of 10-45 people. And general machine usage. I see the same people in those classes multiple times a week. I haven't gotten covid, and neither have they. And I know for certain that I didn't get it even asymptomatically in the 500 or so maskless hours I've spent at the gym in the past year.

I know doctors (even ones who work directly with covid patients) who've been to their gyms maskless. No covid. The 100-200 people I know who've been to the gym maskless (and covid free) are not all extraordinarily lucky - for whatever reason, covid just doesn't seem to be spreading at gyms. Yes I get that it makes no sense to you, but this isn't just my "luck" - its the experience of so, so, so many people. I know it, they know it, and that's the truth.

The more you repeat "I know" without referring to any actual peer-reviewed data - or even informed theories, FFS - the less you truly do know.

I get it. You're heavily invested in believing what you believe and no one can tell you otherwise. That's extremely common, particularly when people are stressed out, but it's not ideal cognitive functioning.

I am not the PP, but what kind of peer-reviewed information can you offer that shows gyms are a danger, when the existing evidence clearly shows they are not. The original guideline showed gyms as high risk under the assumption that people just behave as they did in the past while the pandemic is raging. No gyms were actually operating in that way.

And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

Where is this "science?" What on earth are you talking about? Not your previous idiotic link about assumed risk (based on nothing), but where is this "science" you're talking about? The observation, experimentation, and replicating of viral (specifically covid) transmission at gyms?

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And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

The fact that gyms have been open for almost a year without almost any major outbreaks (and none in this area as far as I know) that would force to close them again should be evidence enough.
I do believe that unmasked cardio can spread the virus, but it very much looks like that either the imposed distancing prevented it or, in my view more likely, people who chose to return to the gym were cautious enough in other parts of their lives and/or privileged enough to be able to work from home and thus they never contracted COVID and had nothing to spread in the gym.

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And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

The fact that gyms have been open for almost a year without almost any major outbreaks (and none in this area as far as I know) that would force to close them again should be evidence enough.
I do believe that unmasked cardio can spread the virus, but it very much looks like that either the imposed distancing prevented it or, in my view more likely, people who chose to return to the gym were cautious enough in other parts of their lives and/or privileged enough to be able to work from home and thus they never contracted COVID and had nothing to spread in the gym.

Reality hasn't conformed to pp's fear and she has no "science" to back it up. I totally understand that returning to the gym, unmasked, is anxiety inducing for a lot of people. But tens of thousands (hundreds?) of us in VA alone have returned to working out maskless without any issue. There haven't been outbreaks, or whispers off the record from employees, staff, or customers. The evidence of covid spread just isn't there. Maybe it's the spacing enforcement, air ventilation changes, temp checks (as a partial deterrent), or just generally health conscious people... but if pp had ever returned to a gym, they'd see how many people have had healthy, safe experiences in a year. It isn't "luck." Skip it if you'd like, but pp has absolutely no idea what she's talking about.

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With the mask mandate lifted in moco I just came to the realization that there are significantly less attractive people than when we had the mandate

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Anonymous wrote:With the mask mandate lifted in moco I just came to the realization that there are significantly less attractive people than when we had the mandate

Lol. This is so true. I also got to realize that the masks highlighted that some people have really pretty eyes and it is not that obvious now that you can fully see their faces. I myself miss the mask a little bit too. It was great for hiding weird lifting faces.

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Anonymous wrote:With the mask mandate lifted in moco I just came to the realization that there are significantly less attractive people than when we had the mandate

Lol. This is so true. I also got to realize that the masks highlighted that some people have really pretty eyes and it is not that obvious now that you can fully see their faces. I myself miss the mask a little bit too. It was great for hiding weird lifting faces.

I've had work situations where I've spent 2-4 weeks with people that I have never met prior and have only seen them wearing masks for 12-14 hour days. So many look unrecognisable when finally seen without a mask (I assume I am the same). I assume our mind subconsciously imagines the best possible appearance under the match and reality can't compete.

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Anonymous wrote:With the mask mandate lifted in moco I just came to the realization that there are significantly less attractive people than when we had the mandate

Lol. This is so true. I also got to realize that the masks highlighted that some people have really pretty eyes and it is not that obvious now that you can fully see their faces. I myself miss the mask a little bit too. It was great for hiding weird lifting faces.

I've had work situations where I've spent 2-4 weeks with people that I have never met prior and have only seen them wearing masks for 12-14 hour days. So many look unrecognisable when finally seen without a mask (I assume I am the same). I assume our mind subconsciously imagines the best possible appearance under the match and reality can't compete.

Yep, I assigned everyone a cute nose, full lips, nice teeth and a lovely smile. Reality did not really match up in many cases, though I still find some of these people attractive, though weirdly I look at them as almost a different person than when they were wearing the mask.

[Anonymous]

Yes people please keep your ugly mugs concealed until at least the winter time. I want to imagine hotties

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No. I haven't for the last few days either.

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And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

The fact that gyms have been open for almost a year without almost any major outbreaks (and none in this area as far as I know) that would force to close them again should be evidence enough.
I do believe that unmasked cardio can spread the virus, but it very much looks like that either the imposed distancing prevented it or, in my view more likely, people who chose to return to the gym were cautious enough in other parts of their lives and/or privileged enough to be able to work from home and thus they never contracted COVID and had nothing to spread in the gym.

Reality hasn't conformed to pp's fear and she has no "science" to back it up. I totally understand that returning to the gym, unmasked, is anxiety inducing for a lot of people. But tens of thousands (hundreds?) of us in VA alone have returned to working out maskless without any issue. There haven't been outbreaks, or whispers off the record from employees, staff, or customers. The evidence of covid spread just isn't there. Maybe it's the spacing enforcement, air ventilation changes, temp checks (as a partial deterrent), or just generally health conscious people... but if pp had ever returned to a gym, they'd see how many people have had healthy, safe experiences in a year. It isn't "luck." Skip it if you'd like, but pp has absolutely no idea what she's talking about.

For the umpteenth time, going back to the gym was the FIRST thing I did when I was fully vaccinated. And no, it wasn't reassuring, given how many people had their masks around their noses, weren't observing spacing guidelines, etc. - and that was just in the free weights section, where people aren't breathing as heavily as during cardio.

Your inability to read what PPs are saying, let alone correctly process it, is painful.

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And what, pray tell, would that existing evidence be? These "doctors" that PP knows? The "100 - 200 people" whose health history she's intimately familiar with?

The science suggests that doing cardio indoors and unmasked with other unmasked people is probably likely to lead to at least some transmission of an *airborne* virus, unless said cardio is occurring in an wind tunnel.

The fact that gyms have been open for almost a year without almost any major outbreaks (and none in this area as far as I know) that would force to close them again should be evidence enough.
I do believe that unmasked cardio can spread the virus, but it very much looks like that either the imposed distancing prevented it or, in my view more likely, people who chose to return to the gym were cautious enough in other parts of their lives and/or privileged enough to be able to work from home and thus they never contracted COVID and had nothing to spread in the gym.

Reality hasn't conformed to pp's fear and she has no "science" to back it up. I totally understand that returning to the gym, unmasked, is anxiety inducing for a lot of people. But tens of thousands (hundreds?) of us in VA alone have returned to working out maskless without any issue. There haven't been outbreaks, or whispers off the record from employees, staff, or customers. The evidence of covid spread just isn't there. Maybe it's the spacing enforcement, air ventilation changes, temp checks (as a partial deterrent), or just generally health conscious people... but if pp had ever returned to a gym, they'd see how many people have had healthy, safe experiences in a year. It isn't "luck." Skip it if you'd like, but pp has absolutely no idea what she's talking about.

For the umpteenth time, going back to the gym was the FIRST thing I did when I was fully vaccinated. And no, it wasn't reassuring, given how many people had their masks around their noses, weren't observing spacing guidelines, etc. - and that was just in the free weights section, where people aren't breathing as heavily as during cardio.

Your inability to read what PPs are saying, let alone correctly process it, is painful.

Right, so you've only been back for a couple of months at most?

That's hardly telling of how gyms have been safety wise, in the past year. Look - if it bothers you, go to a mask-only gym. Those of us who have been working out regularly maskless in gyms know they're safe for us. We all signed waivers, we're all taking that risk - even though the risk hasn't come to fruition.

You do you. Leave those of us who'd like to be maskless well alone - we get that it's at our own discretion and isn't actually a big deal.