In DC: "White Parents Horrified by George Floyd Video Still Go to Great Lengths..."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have become, and I hate to admit it, increasingly hostile to woke politics. Not because I don’t believe in racist equality, but because so many obnoxious fux are trying to shove half baked policies down my throat. Cancelling AP classes, cancelling entrance exams for rigorous schools, the shame based approach to race (“be less white!”), the increase in false accusations of racism at every turn (recent Smith college incident), claiming that “show your math work” is racist...I guess you would immediately tar me with claims of white fragility. That’s fine.

Why do you "hate to admit" that you dislike this insanity? Are you so insecure that you have to qualify an opinion like this?

“I support racial equity, but not when it makes me feel bad or may negatively impact me!”

“I support racial equity, but I also have a primary responsibility to educate my children.”

These issues need not be in conflict.

They are now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the complaint that white kids are going to Wilson, a perceived better school, at the expense of Black students?

I think everyone, white and Black, want the best education possible for their kids.

I didn't realize that in order to be morally repulsed by racist state murder meant that you should not care about your child's education.

If you aren’t personally underwriting a URM student’s tuition at Sidwell while sending your child to Eastern, you are part of the problem

Nope. Conor says good progressives (i.e. not racist progressives) support charters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/20/theres-real-progressive-case-supporting-charter-schools/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I have become, and I hate to admit it, increasingly hostile to woke politics. Not because I don’t believe in racist equality, but because so many obnoxious fux are trying to shove half baked policies down my throat. Cancelling AP classes, cancelling entrance exams for rigorous schools, the shame based approach to race (“be less white!”), the increase in false accusations of racism at every turn (recent Smith college incident), claiming that “show your math work” is racist...I guess you would immediately tar me with claims of white fragility. That’s fine.

Why do you "hate to admit" that you dislike this insanity? Are you so insecure that you have to qualify an opinion like this?

“I support racial equity, but not when it makes me feel bad or may negatively impact me!”

“I support racial equity, but I also have a primary responsibility to educate my children.”

These issues need not be in conflict.

They are not, except that people want to call other people racist because they also don't want to send their kids to low performing schools.

No one wants to send their kids to low performing schools, white or Black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Not np. So if I move into a black neighborhood and I’m white, it’s gentrification. I’m tearing the black community apart. If I choose a nw neighborhood I’m a racist. Got it, white people bad.

+1

Thanks for missing the point. God, I'm so sick of white fragility and your egos!

I’m not fragile precious, I own being white because that’s what I am. But you keep name calling. Good for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the complaint that white kids are going to Wilson, a perceived better school, at the expense of Black students?

I think everyone, white and Black, want the best education possible for their kids.

I didn't realize that in order to be morally repulsed by racist state murder meant that you should not care about your child's education.

If you aren’t personally underwriting a URM student’s tuition at Sidwell while sending your child to Eastern, you are part of the problem

Nope. Conor says good progressives (i.e. not racist progressives) support charters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/20/theres-real-progressive-case-supporting-charter-schools/

LOL. Charter schools are totally racist.
- Undermines majority Black union with middle class jobs
- Allows schools to expel students who have "behavior" problems and send back to public who become worse due to adverse selection
- Does not hold schools to same educational standards
- Does not provide transportation (except transit cards) so does not resolve geographic proximity and racial segregation issues (both Latin and Basis have same % white as Wilson)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the complaint that white kids are going to Wilson, a perceived better school, at the expense of Black students?

I think everyone, white and Black, want the best education possible for their kids.

I didn't realize that in order to be morally repulsed by racist state murder meant that you should not care about your child's education.

If you aren’t personally underwriting a URM student’s tuition at Sidwell while sending your child to Eastern, you are part of the problem

Nope. Conor says good progressives (i.e. not racist progressives) support charters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/20/theres-real-progressive-case-supporting-charter-schools/

LOL. Charter schools are totally racist.
- Undermines majority Black union with middle class jobs
- Allows schools to expel students who have "behavior" problems and send back to public who become worse due to adverse selection
- Does not hold schools to same educational standards
- Does not provide transportation (except transit cards) so does not resolve geographic proximity and racial segregation issues (both Latin and Basis have same % white as Wilson)

I'm sorry Conor spells it out here again. Option 1 = racist. Option 2 = progressive.

[Anonymous]

So me not sending my kid to a high school where 0% of the kids pass the PARCC means that I cannot also condemn police murder of black men? Ok.

[Anonymous]

This is actually the key point, near the end:

“Not coincidentally, white Democrats are significantly less supportive than Black Democrats when it comes to major school integration policies, such as busing, or policies that give students access to public schools other than those their families can afford to purchase through the housing market.
D.C. isn’t unique. In almost every American community, white, middle-class progressives are unreliable allies when it comes to building affordable or public housing that might make their neighborhood schools more accessible to a wider range of diverse families.”

It’s not simply that white families choose to live in mostly white neighborhoods with mostly white schools. It’s that we actively resist any efforts to change those patterns, by opposing increased access to these schools to non-white and less affluent families.

Consider the loud, angry resistance to the Ward 3 homeless shelter by people in Cleveland Park who insisted it was going overburden Eaton ES. Think about the current negative reaction in CCDC to the idea of increasing affordable housing and density in the Connecticut Ave. corridor. Think about the complaints about out-of-boundary students whenever there’s a conversation about overcrowding at Ward 3 schools. Consider how angry parents of Walls applicants are this year because changes in the admissions process resulted in some kids they believed to be the “most deserving” not getting in.

White families don’t just avoid attending non-white schools; we hoard resources and opportunity at the mostly white schools that we do attend.

[Anonymous]

21:55, which resources do you want to send to the crumbling schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is actually the key point, near the end:

“Not coincidentally, white Democrats are significantly less supportive than Black Democrats when it comes to major school integration policies, such as busing, or policies that give students access to public schools other than those their families can afford to purchase through the housing market.
D.C. isn’t unique. In almost every American community, white, middle-class progressives are unreliable allies when it comes to building affordable or public housing that might make their neighborhood schools more accessible to a wider range of diverse families.”

It’s not simply that white families choose to live in mostly white neighborhoods with mostly white schools. It’s that we actively resist any efforts to change those patterns, by opposing increased access to these schools to non-white and less affluent families.

Consider the loud, angry resistance to the Ward 3 homeless shelter by people in Cleveland Park who insisted it was going overburden Eaton ES. Think about the current negative reaction in CCDC to the idea of increasing affordable housing and density in the Connecticut Ave. corridor. Think about the complaints about out-of-boundary students whenever there’s a conversation about overcrowding at Ward 3 schools. Consider how angry parents of Walls applicants are this year because changes in the admissions process resulted in some kids they believed to be the “most deserving” not getting in.

White families don’t just avoid attending non-white schools; we hoard resources and opportunity at the mostly white schools that we do attend.

Except you forgot the entire DC charter sector, which is supported by many white parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have become, and I hate to admit it, increasingly hostile to woke politics. Not because I don’t believe in racist equality, but because so many obnoxious fux are trying to shove half baked policies down my throat. Cancelling AP classes, cancelling entrance exams for rigorous schools, the shame based approach to race (“be less white!”), the increase in false accusations of racism at every turn (recent Smith college incident), claiming that “show your math work” is racist...I guess you would immediately tar me with claims of white fragility. That’s fine.

I hate it too. Our family is black. It's become about the exploiting the white fragility guilt and the black power structure that wants to engage. I don't have time for this shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article, it address some things many white people will not admit.
Just in that other forum I saw many comments saying to essentially leave Ward 3 out of it and fix ward 7 & 8.

No, it's not just ward 7 & 8, it's every school in wards 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 that is full of low SES children. Ward 3 is just the only ward with the absence of that.

While I agree ward 7 & 8 needs to be better the issue is not just that. White people do send their kids to schools beyond W3 BUT only at schools with a higher percentage of White families and areas that are becoming or are already gentrified.

But in DC in particular I will say another great issue is the leadership. When will we actually focus on low SES students so they do not become a reflection of their parents. I am not saying low SES families are incapable but the reality is they do not have access or awareness of everything a higher SES families does.

I am saying this as a Black teacher and years upon years of seeing interactions with all kinds of families. DCPS is not innovative, they do not give title 1 schools enough support. You will not find a freaking rooftop garden for 'horticultural therapy' at a title 1 school. And I am not saying that is what those kids need, I am saying there are less opportunities for them.

Money does create opportunity and DCPS invests it in the wrong places and doesn't give back to the school; academically, emotionally, or structurally.

There needs to be more dialogue around these issues! I am a parent at a Ward 3 elementary. I know my kids have privileges that others do not. I think it's completely unacceptable that schools serving low SES students are not getting what they need. But I have ZERO trust in DCPS leadership to make the changes necessary to get this school system on track. In the discussion around education, everything seems to quickly devolve into zero-sum game mentality. It feels like some people think that, by pulling down kids in relatively higher performing schools, or re-allocating PTA money or whatever, then there will be "equity" because money has been moved around. That's not equity. That's just politics!

[Anonymous]

The problem with that key point is that Eaton was full of white oob students who left Brent. I’ve been saying for 10 years that Lafayette had more wealthy white oob kids (A few lawyers) that I knew of than kids who should be filling the slots. But, any talk about oob was about race. These issues are complex and nuanced, and I personally think tensions are especially high in DC because the mayor really stoked it with vaccination distribution in DC, which is not good for anyone. At some point, people will become weary. It’s sad because so much of it is a communications issue — see the other DCPS thread tonight.

[Anonymous]

Just so we are all clear:

Wilson HS- 39% white (Racist)

Washington Latin- 35% white (Not Racist)
https://latinpcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2018-10-29-Washington-Latin-PCS-%E2%80%93-Upper-School-HS-PMF.pdf

BASIS DC- 45% white (Not Racist)
https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/138

Makes total sense to me.

[Anonymous]

My problem with all the school boundaries changing, redistricting, and parents moving is that the kids stay the same. No one is fixing the problem. No one is helping the underperforming kids. They’re just watering down the scores by mixing in better performing scores. Maybe they should work on that instead of this big musical chair charade.