What would happen if families in dc all had their kids attend their In Boundary school?

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Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

But nobody would.

Sure they would. People without kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we stop pretending that all gentrification is done by white people and that it’s a black/ white issue? It’s far more a class issue than anyone gives voice to. Most folks with money also don’t send their kids to the low achieving schools in rural poor predominantly white areas. It’s not so much about race (though in we can acknowledge that institutional racism does impact class mobility), but to simply blame DCPS issues on “white parents” not wanting to send their kids to school with “Black kids”, is actually code for middle/ upper middle class college educated parents (of all races) don’t want to send their kids to school with children who come from and continue to live in generational poverty and deal with the issues that brings. And it seems like in this constant conversation on DCUM the presumption is that all brown kids are poor. Which is simply not true.

I hate to contradict this, but DC does not have the demographics of America or even the rest of the DMV. There are few middle class residents of any kind. Our upper income families include a black minority. Our lower income families include almost zero white people. So we can say it is "not true" that "all brown kids are poor" but the massive intersectionality of race and class in DC is totally skewed.

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I'll tell you what would happen. Catholic schools in the close in PG/MoCo suburbs would revive and be filled to capacity, like when I was an elementary schooler in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

But nobody would.

Sure they would. People without kids.

Why do people without kids need a house? I would stay in an apartment.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing that folks with privilege still don't get their privilege follows them. If everyone went to their neighborhood schools, the schools' success would be based on the same factor they are now - socioeconomic status of the kids in it.

I'm also talking about myself as a solidly middle class black mom. We would simply invest our time and money in the school and then all of sudden...this "poor performing" school would be wonderful.

Right, but if people in Wards 7 and 8 (where the majority of the at-risk children live) there would little racial diversity and only some economic diversity. There would not be enough MC and UMC BIPOC or white families in many neighborhoods in these wards to go from "poor performing" to wonderful. It would benefit us if everyone went to their IB school, because we are in-bound for Takoma (not awful, largely OOB in upper grades), Wells (un-tested), and Coolidge (awful for the last 20+ years). There are enough BIPOC in Takoma to make for racially diverse schools (great), but probably not a lot of economic diversity. If Wells/Coolidge were largely IB, because of the price of housing, the schools would improve as PP said because of time and money investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

But nobody would.

Sure they would. People without kids.

Why do people without kids need a house? I would stay in an apartment.

People without kids are not second-class citizens - they are just as worthy of having a house if they so choose. They might have elderly parents. They might have siblings who need a hand-up. They might have dogs. They might like space. We do not get to dictate what people "need" if they have the finances to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

But nobody would.

Sure they would. People without kids.

Why do people without kids need a house? I would stay in an apartment.

Group houses are a thing. But also, some people just want the space.

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Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

Yes, people are willing to pay higher costs of housings for access to the lottery. Access to better schools is an amenity that is factored into home prices.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Without charter schools, one would be able to buy a rowhouse for $250K in Petworth, Brightwood Park, etc.

But nobody would.

Sure they would. People without kids.

The difference in prices between when the charters started and now is substantial.

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The difference in prices between when the charters started and now is substantial.

Exactly. The biggest, unspoken political irony in D.C. is that House Repubs saved the city and created the housing boom when they imposed charter schools on angry D.C. residents and, yes, the ever-screaming WTU.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if this happened resources would be spread more evenly and result in real equity. More diversity would exist racially and economically. Families with greater political influence would advocate and all students would benefit. Children and families within walking distance would build relationships.
Think of the potential!!

Oh OP, I haven't had such a good laugh in quite a while. You made my day. You want to know what would happen? Take a guess what year charter schools and OOB lotteries started becoming widely available:

NP. I am not sure what you mean by “widely available.” Are you referring to the centralized lottery system, which started in 2014? Or something else? DC has had charter schools since the 1990s.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe if this happened resources would be spread more evenly and result in real equity. More diversity would exist racially and economically. Families with greater political influence would advocate and all students would benefit. Children and families within walking distance would build relationships.
Think of the potential!!

Oh OP, I haven't had such a good laugh in quite a while. You made my day. You want to know what would happen? Take a guess what year charter schools and OOB lotteries started becoming widely available:

NP. I am not sure what you mean by “widely available.” Are you referring to the centralized lottery system, which started in 2014? Or something else? DC has had charter schools since the 1990s.

2008 was the beginning of the modern era in terms of OOB. It wasn't a big deal up to then, DCPS didn't have crowded schools and principals were given discretion to let in whoever they wanted, which was pretty much everyone. Then, suddenly in 2008, Deal wasn't able to admit everyone who wanted to go there. A year earlier Deal had been actively recruiting OOB students. In response, feeder OOB rights were created out of thin air, and all of a sudden the lottery started having real meaning.

Now, I would argue that causality flowed the other way -- enrollment didn't grow because of the lottery, the lottery was necessary because enrollment started growing.

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DCUM just recycles the same conversations again and again and again with each crop of newbie parents. No new ground broken here. It’s just new parents who learn for themselves all the problems with DC schools and then think they have the solution for what ails them. As the parent of high schoolers it’s sort of precious to see.

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Would work IF DC had a magnet option in every school or a cluster of schools....see MOCO...

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Anonymous wrote:Would work IF DC had a magnet option in every school or a cluster of schools....see MOCO...

Instead, DCPS does things like “honors for all” and now “ap for all” (see Wilson). If you can’t close the gap then dumb it down for the advanced kid and slap a name on it that makes everyone feel good.