What would happen if families in dc all had their kids attend their In Boundary school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

[Anonymous]

This is why free PK has been a magical feature for DCPS.

It’s a lot easier to make PK “good” than other grades where more long-term investment from parents is needed. Once PK gets a rep as being decent, parents compete like crazy to get in— see Garrison, Seaton, Cleveland, Marie Reed. Then some stay, more and more each year. Still needs a great principal and great teachers. But universal PK has had a massive effect on many DCPS elementaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

But if all those families sent their kids to the neighborhood school it would no longer be failing. That is OPs point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

But if all those families sent their kids to the neighborhood school it would no longer be failing. That is OPs point.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

But if all those families sent their kids to the neighborhood school it would no longer be failing. That is OPs point.

Wouldn't make a dent city-wide.

[Anonymous]

This tired thought experiment is at least slightly more fun to consider than the weekly Eliminate Boundaries thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

But if all those families sent their kids to the neighborhood school it would no longer be failing. That is OPs point.

Exactly

So naive and simple minded of you.

Also, search the threads - someone brings this up at least once a year. Read those and find out why it’s not just about flooding a school with new wealthier whiter kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had this exact same question when I was entering this system 6 years ago. My inexperienced self really believed that if we all could just trust our neighborhood schools, everything would be solved. 6 years later, I understand that people are not able to have the required level of trust when it comes to their kids. It's intractable. People will move before they risk their children. It's sad. It's horrible. But it's true.

Why so sad? You really want us to risk our children? You really think dcps has proven it deserves some kind of blind faith?

This x1000. The problem is DCPS management. Not just demographics or poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the question demonstrates the narrowness of your experience. You are probably thinking of the following outcomes, which could be seen as more equitable (though it’s more complex and I think there are real questions as to whether this would create more equity):

- Wealthier parents who currently choose to send their kids to charters for things like language immersion or Montessori would be forced to invest in their inbound DCPS
- Gentrifiers would be forced to invest in their neighborhood schools

But here are some other outcomes:

- Parents in neighborhoods with low incomes and high crime would be forced to send their kids to their IB school, even though schools in low income, high crime neighborhoods are some of the most challenged in the city, with high percentages of at risk kids, limited sources for PTA and other funding, and difficulty attracting and retaining teachers and administrators
- Wealthy parents would simply move or send their kids to private, rather than attend what is already in many cases one of the better schools in the city. Note these options would not be available to low income families who can’t afford private or homes with better local schools
- Most schools would racially segregated, as the manufactured integration at charters and citywide schools disappeared. Only schools in gentrifying neighborhoods would be diverse in this way, and intensely so (as white gentrifiers either come to dominate the school or flee to avoid the school)
- Black flight to PG County and other majority black locales would increase as black families recognize they have been consigned to failing schools with no other options. Wealthier black families would increasingly choose private as well.
- Overall enrollment would decline as parents flee for suburbs and privates. As enrollment declined, so too would funding and family involvement, creating a race to the bottom for families unfortunate enough to have no better options.

I think this was definitely, almost 100% true 10 years ago. I think it's less true in 2021. Here's looking at you, 16th St. corridor and near NE.

I live in NE. I know many families in my neighborhood. All are at charters or private. All would move if they had no choice but to go to our IB where almost all kids are below grade level.

But if all those families sent their kids to the neighborhood school it would no longer be failing. That is OPs point.

Yes it would, because it would still be managed by the corrupt and incompetent morons that run DCPS. That problem has proven intractable even for the wealthiest schools (look for example at the firing of the Walls principal last year), so demographics won't fix it. And the rule change would bring in all the high-needs kids that attend charters or OOB DCPS elsewhere. The neighborhood demographics are not what you think they are, OP, because you assume low income kids go to their own neighborhood school and that just isn't the case.

Think of EOTR, OP. There are nowhere near enough high or even middle income people to create the demographics you think would solve this problem.

[Anonymous]

Private school

[Anonymous]

OP, you seem really naive. In Ward 5 the result of that would be massive overcrowding, because DCPS has excessed so many of its own buildings. It would have to buy back the charter buildings as new schools and reboundary, and that would create all kinds of fighting over the lines and what schools the big housing projects are assigned to. The outcome would be that kids with wealthier parents go to better schools, just like it is in every boundary system everywhere.

If DCPS would do a better job serving all the kids-- at-risk, below grade level, and those that need to be challenged above grade level-- it would improve dramatically with no rules changes. People *want* a nearby, by-right school if it is quality. You don't see Ward 3 lobbying for charters. But until DCPS is willing to provid quality and has the budget for it, nothing will change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had this exact same question when I was entering this system 6 years ago. My inexperienced self really believed that if we all could just trust our neighborhood schools, everything would be solved. 6 years later, I understand that people are not able to have the required level of trust when it comes to their kids. It's intractable. People will move before they risk their children. It's sad. It's horrible. But it's true.

Why so sad? You really want us to risk our children? You really think dcps has proven it deserves some kind of blind faith?

+1. Let’s see.... make a simple move or risky kids’ education, well- being, mental health and entire future.... mmmmmmm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe if this happened resources would be spread more evenly and result in real equity. More diversity would exist racially and economically. Families with greater political influence would advocate and all students would benefit. Children and families within walking distance would build relationships.
Think of the potential!!

My parents put me in a small parochial in DC when I was a kid. There was no lottery or going out of bounds then. So, I guess that's what would happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you seem really naive. In Ward 5 the result of that would be massive overcrowding, because DCPS has excessed so many of its own buildings. It would have to buy back the charter buildings as new schools and reboundary, and that would create all kinds of fighting over the lines and what schools the big housing projects are assigned to. The outcome would be that kids with wealthier parents go to better schools, just like it is in every boundary system everywhere.

If DCPS would do a better job serving all the kids-- at-risk, below grade level, and those that need to be challenged above grade level-- it would improve dramatically with no rules changes. People *want* a nearby, by-right school if it is quality. You don't see Ward 3 lobbying for charters. But until DCPS is willing to provid quality and has the budget for it, nothing will change.

FWIW, a lot of Ward 3 families have lobbied for charters and have their children in charters. They have not lobbied for the charters to be in Ward 3, mostly due to the perception that it would be creating basically a new quality school option in a zone that is already replete with said options, and location with access to the whole city will be more welcomed, diverse and supported. Long history to this.