APS - School Shifts in the Fall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:that would be a nightmare for high schoolers. Athletes would have to do the early shift so they could have practices, but no high schooler I know is remotely useful at 7am. They are barely able to get online by 8:25 from their own beds, never mind getting to physical school for that start time. My child would be a zombie.

You're imagining a scenario in which spread is bad enough to require split shifts but we still have regular sports?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MT would be pushing for 5 days back to school even if we had no vaccines and community spread were rampant. She has poor judgment and is a one-issue candidate. No way could she handle the workload of a full SB docket.

Yep Miranda was pushing for full reopening back during the winter in the surge. I don't trust her at all.

Plus she has no actual plan. Just signs and rallies.

Why don't you ask her HOW she plans to reopen schools? At least Mary is thinking about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:that would be a nightmare for high schoolers. Athletes would have to do the early shift so they could have practices, but no high schooler I know is remotely useful at 7am. They are barely able to get online by 8:25 from their own beds, never mind getting to physical school for that start time. My child would be a zombie.

You're imagining a scenario in which spread is bad enough to require split shifts but we still have regular sports?

Well we have sports right now and kids are only in school 2 days a week, soooo... yeah.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are still unknowns about the Fall. The new variant that is hitting school age kids is one unknown, and whether the CDC will change their guidance from 3 feet to none is another unknown. I think Mary Kadera is trying to push APS to start actively planning now because there are so many moving pieces. At least she is putting thought into the issue! If we get to full vaccination then I imagine the issue is moot. But Mary is a problem solver and I think that's what APS needs.

Her thoughts that she put together are illogical and create more problems than they solve. I don’t want someone who will solve problems that way. There are so many miscalculation in her proposal. I was leaning toward her because she was a teacher and I currently teach in APS, but I can’t support anyone who would put out these ideas.

It seems Mary went to the same school of logistical planning as Bridget Loft.

And Miranda didn't go to one at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MT would be pushing for 5 days back to school even if we had no vaccines and community spread were rampant. She has poor judgment and is a one-issue candidate. No way could she handle the workload of a full SB docket.

Yep Miranda was pushing for full reopening back during the winter in the surge. I don't trust her at all.

Plus she has no actual plan. Just signs and rallies.

Why don't you ask her HOW she plans to reopen schools? At least Mary is thinking about it.

In fall? Put on a mask and go to school. That's it. Seriously though, why do we think that isn't going to be possible?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MT would be pushing for 5 days back to school even if we had no vaccines and community spread were rampant. She has poor judgment and is a one-issue candidate. No way could she handle the workload of a full SB docket.

Yep Miranda was pushing for full reopening back during the winter in the surge. I don't trust her at all.

Plus she has no actual plan. Just signs and rallies.

Why don't you ask her HOW she plans to reopen schools? At least Mary is thinking about it.

In fall? Put on a mask and go to school. That's it. Seriously though, why do we think that isn't going to be possible?

This! There will be a virtual option for those that don't want to attend in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, OP pulled one line out of context and it's VERY misleading. Read the whole page. She's laying out what needs to be done to return to 5 full days if 3ft of distancing is still required. She lays out the multiple steps to make the determination if we have the capacity to make that possible in all buildings, and if not, what are the alternatives one of which is two shifts to allow all kids five days per week. She's laying out all the other pieces of the puzzle including transportation, extended day and lunch (and she advocates for funding temporary outdoor lunch facilities or identifying other indoor options).

There is a lot of thought and detail going into this plan, do not default to OP's one liner.

False statement. The "thought and detail" in the plan are not only unattainable, but they are also absurd. And one of her solutions is shift teaching - AKA more iPad school for students who are in school. Not ideal for students or teachers. She seems to have the support of teachers, but I don't know why any teacher would want more concurrent teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate that Mary is actually thinking through how to return to school.

As opposed to Miranda who has no actual plan other than demands for full time. Notice Miranda doesn't explain how to actually accomplish that.

Vaccines for teachers - check; ventilation upgraded - check; spacing relaxed - check; more kids on bus - check; open school doors and let kids come back. APS has done the hard work to reopen, it is time to get back to school. Elementary must go back 5 FULL days a week. I may not have agreed w Miranda on everything (ie going back to school during the surges) but Boy do I not agree with a plan B that is school on shifts.

She said this COULD BE be an option IF we still have the 3’ requirement and we can’t fit all of the kids.

Stop taking it out of context.

At least she’s thinking about it...

Just the fact that she is even thinking this could be an option for the fall should disqualify her.

That makes no sense. She shares the same goal as everyone else, which is to get kids back in the classroom full time in the fall. She is trying to think through and unblock potential obstacles NOW so that it will actually happen. I think it will happen in any event, even if the CDC still has a distancing requirement, because SB 1303 only requires schools to follow CDC to the extent possible. So, while I think her planning on this point might be moot, at least she is offering solutions instead of Miranda's tactic of just decrying a problem without offering any solutions.

DP. The problem is that what Kadera put out there is a highly flawed proposal that she hadn’t put enough time or effort into developing. But she apparently thought taking some pretty pictures was good enough and then threw it out there as a serious solution, when it clearly is not if you put any kind of effort into analyzing it. If that is the level of critical thinking she would bring to the school board, she does not belong there.

Maybe you don't care for her proposal, but at least she's thinking. How has MT demonstrated any thinking at all?

Turner has been actively engaged on school reopening issues for a year now. Kadera seemingly just realized this was an issue voters care about, and now it scrambling to catch up in a way that makes clear she really hasn’t been thinking about these issues.

How has that demonstrated any thinking?

It should be pretty easy to refer to some of her great critical thinking if she's been at it for "a year"...anything?

[Anonymous]

Remember when the Coach Superintendent pitches school shifts to address overcrowding?

Between this and DL, we will have field tested most of his plans, so a 4th High School is never happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:that would be a nightmare for high schoolers. Athletes would have to do the early shift so they could have practices, but no high schooler I know is remotely useful at 7am. They are barely able to get online by 8:25 from their own beds, never mind getting to physical school for that start time. My child would be a zombie.

You don't know HS swimmers . That's mid morning for them.

Fair. The swimmers, hockey players, crew kids, and gymnasts can handle. My softball player and theater kid could not. lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate that Mary is actually thinking through how to return to school.

As opposed to Miranda who has no actual plan other than demands for full time. Notice Miranda doesn't explain how to actually accomplish that.

And it's not her job- she won't even be on the school board until next year if she wins. She is showing she's willing to put in the work and figure things out rather than cater to the people shouting "open schools now!"

I'm also not her biggest fan, McK's response to the school moves was disgusting and I have a hard time separating her from that. I really do appreciate that she has experience in education and wants to find solutions to problems.

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Anonymous wrote:MT would be pushing for 5 days back to school even if we had no vaccines and community spread were rampant. She has poor judgment and is a one-issue candidate. No way could she handle the workload of a full SB docket.

Yep Miranda was pushing for full reopening back during the winter in the surge. I don't trust her at all.

Plus she has no actual plan. Just signs and rallies.

Why don't you ask her HOW she plans to reopen schools? At least Mary is thinking about it.

In fall? Put on a mask and go to school. That's it. Seriously though, why do we think that isn't going to be possible?

I honestly think this is what will happen. There might be some plans that have to be made regarding non-masked times like lunches, no whole school indoor assemblies, etc but I think schools will look closer to normal with masks in the fall.

-teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MT would be pushing for 5 days back to school even if we had no vaccines and community spread were rampant. She has poor judgment and is a one-issue candidate. No way could she handle the workload of a full SB docket.

Yep Miranda was pushing for full reopening back during the winter in the surge. I don't trust her at all.

Plus she has no actual plan. Just signs and rallies.

Why don't you ask her HOW she plans to reopen schools? At least Mary is thinking about it.

In fall? Put on a mask and go to school. That's it. Seriously though, why do we think that isn't going to be possible?

Seriously! Wear a mask, get vaccinated when you can, maintain 3 ft distancing to fullest extent possible but not at the sacrifice of in-person instruction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate that Mary is actually thinking through how to return to school.

As opposed to Miranda who has no actual plan other than demands for full time. Notice Miranda doesn't explain how to actually accomplish that.

And it's not her job- she won't even be on the school board until next year if she wins. She is showing she's willing to put in the work and figure things out rather than cater to the people shouting "open schools now!"

I'm also not her biggest fan, McK's response to the school moves was disgusting and I have a hard time separating her from that. I really do appreciate that she has experience in education and wants to find solutions to problems.

I don't understand why anyone is giving Mary "credit" for putting out some half baked ideas. That's the opposite of credit for me. Why is this impressing you? She wrote a lot of words, but the thinking behind it is really poor.

I agree that APS needs to be thinking more critically, but that's an easy criticism to make. Every single person posting here has those frustrations with APS. But her plan is a) wrong, and b) shows that she is open to another year of the mess this year has been. That's a no and no for me.

[Anonymous]

Shifts aren’t happening. Slow your roll.