DP. I agree with you that Brookings does not have to present a solution. It is sufficient to present an analysis. Brookings does have an obligation to present solid research, however, without relying on flawed or shoddy methodology. You say you like this because it conforms with other things you agree with, but that shouldn't be a standard for thoughtful research. In other words, liking their conclusion should not excuse shoddy methodologies. Shoddy research and methodology is the real problem here. I don't think anyone I have read is really defending the methodology, just some are defending the conclusion. If we are all largely agreed that there are significant methodological errors here, that seems to be a serious issue on its own. Social science researchers get criticized a lot for having lower academic standards than (say) medicine or engineering. I've defended social science studies before, but this work is hard to defend, even if I think there should be a conversation about the topic. It's just not rigorous, and that leads to a lot of problems. |
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I think you are reacting emotionally and defensively and if you take a few days to process this and calm down, you may see that the report has many good points.
Basically, many white gentrifiers don’t want their kids going to the public schools in the neighborhood they moved into and boards like this help them figure out how to send their kids to “better,” typically whiter and less economically diverse non neighborhood schools. That’s pretty obvious. |
Hi Jeff, I will include some structural and copy-edits below, in bold. Hope you find them helpful.
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The report have good points (I don't know the DC schools well enough to comment, I am not in DC, although I think issues of "nice white parents" warrant a lot of discussion). However, it is irresponsible to use sloppy methodology to jump to those points. In other words, this is an opinion piece dressed up in a veneer of science, but that veneer is fairly obviously weak. If Brookings had written a pure opinion piece, I think the reaction would be different. But doing word count analysis without controlling for textual context? I wouldn't let a high schooler get away with that, let alone Brookings. |
But that's not what happens in DC. By far the biggest factor around SES clustering in DC (as basically everywhere else in America) is the housing market. Kids go to Deal and Lafayette and Murch and Janney and Ross and Oyster not because of the lottery, but because their parents bought expensive houses in those areas. The lottery doesn't place that many kids in the Ward 3 elementaries. In-bounds preference does. The fact that there are many schools in DC that are majority-minority and whose test scores are low is a big, big, big problem. But it's not because parents don't choose those schools in the lottery. Which is what the report is trying (poorly) to argue. |
| I finally read the entire paper and think it is beneath even needing a response. They can have the last word and their own paper exposes how shoddy their research was and how poor their critical thinking is. |
The explanation above works as an Upper NW take on how the housing market drives segregation in schools. East of the Park, things are not as cut and dried. The lottery places a good many white kids in majority-minority DC public schools for Early Childhood programs families are not zoned for, because kids without older siblings in by-right schools often cannot crack the lottery for PreS3, and possibly PreK4, in the areas with the most expensive housing. What happens is that families who fail to get ECE spots in by-rights schools commonly land in other public schools within a few miles of home, both DCPS and charter, that are majority-minority. Some of these families stay on at these schools into the lower grades because they like them. But by the upper grades, these families have generally left majority-minority schools, mainly over concerns about lack of challenge up the chain (no Gifted programs in DC and no test-in MS programs, standard offerings in other big US cities). The authors of the report serve up the standard Upper NW-centric view of school segregation/parents' choices. |
Yeah but parents bought in that area/Ward 3 BECAUSE of the schools and what are perceived as “good” schools. High demand for those schools; high housing prices. Anyway, the better research paper would have focused on housing segregation and/or what schools people deem “good.” |
Yes. But even with the EOTP families, Latin and BASIS are popular and those are majority-minority. Because, as you say, the concerns aren't mostly about majority-minority schools, they're about course offerings. |
This is a really good point. The housing explanation, which is the (obvious) conclusion the report puts forward, is most clearly true from an Upper NW perspective. But in many other wards, for example Wards 1 and 6, a ton of parents put their kids into majority-minority schools with bad test scores often due to free PK. Some of those parents end up leaving but some do stay. It’s a point I wish someone had written a paper about: free PK has been a HUGE success and driver of school integration in DC, bringing all kinds of families together into the same by-rights schools. Can we think of a single better policy effort in any urban district that has improved integration in schools? |
Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have incorporated several of your ideas. I really appreciate your assistance. |
Course offerings/demographics (many poorly prepared low SES classmates). Epic problem but no mention of this in the crap report. |
Please spend time in the "integrated schools" movement -- the podcast, and other sources around the internet, before publishing a response. the solutions are in there, and it will feel like a paradigm shift to you, because they are actively "anti-racist" decisions. There is momentum building for that kind of thinking this year. That is where Vanessa is coming from, and understanding that foundation will help you understand the study. |
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i think what a lot of people are missing here is the mindset that you are either making an anti-racist decision, or you are making a racist decision.
Often, what white people consider to be the default or obvious choice is one that supports a racist, segregated country. It doesn't mean you are a member of the KKK, but it is still true. THAT is what the author is trying to get at, but bc it is a Brookings piece she can't be more obvious about driving home that conclusion. |
It is a really good point and is an example of successful carrots. |