So where are the 3.5W students getting in?

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3.5W with no test scores -- Syracuse with no merit aid or FA. St. John's, Rutgers, St. Joe's, Temple, Loyola CHI and Texas A&M with sizeable merit aid.

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Pitt

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Clemson.

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We also have had a very positive CTCL experience, it is nice to hear of other CTCL success stories.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these threads on students getting rejected from schools like Vanderbilt, Emory and other big names make me wonder where are the students getting in that have say a 3.5 weighted GPA and 1200 SAT? I have a younger highschooler and this will probably be where she falls.

SEC schools other than Vandy, UF and UGA; CTCL schools; Jesuit schools other than Georgetown and BC; High Point U, the life skillz university.

Don't waste your money on CTCL schools.

Please say more. Do you have children attending any of these schools?

No, I don't. One of my kids applied to a couple of them and she was high achieving and got merit money but went to a top 10-15 LAC instead. CTLC schools are more for underachievers with wealthy parents who tell themselves these schools are special when they're not. They typically have low graduation rates, etc.

So you don't really know anything about them, is what you are saying?

The CTCL do not have "low" graduation rates. Many of them have graduation rates that are quite a bit higher than the average for all private, non-profit colleges, which is 67% (that's a 6-year graduation rate, which is what is tracked). Yes, highly selective private colleges have higher graduation rates than most CTCL schools. At colleges that admit fewer than 25% of their applicants, the 6-year graduation rate is 90%. But that's exactly what you would expect for schools that strictly limit who they let in the door. There's a huge selection bias there.

I'll also add that few of the kids I've know who've gone to CTCL-type schools were likely candidates for a top 10-15 LAC. It's great that your kid had that option, but not everyone does. Where would you like kids who want a SLAC environment to go if they don't get into Amherst?

My own kid went to a CTCL school because he wanted a SLAC environment and he got a scholarship that brought the cost down to what it would have cost us to send them to our in-state public. Their college has a graduation rate that is similar to JMU's and better than CNU's, Mary Washington's, and VCU's, the public schools that were on the table. My kid was a stand-out at the college, which was great because the connections with professors led to all kinds of opportunities that probably wouldn't have been as easy to come by at bigger (or more selective) schools. Graduated in 4 years, received several honors and awards that look very nice on the resume, and is now working a well-paying job in a chosen field. That's special enough for me.

Which school?

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Anonymous wrote:We also have had a very positive CTCL experience, it is nice to hear of other CTCL success stories.

What school?

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Anonymous wrote:All of these threads on students getting rejected from schools like Vanderbilt, Emory and other big names make me wonder where are the students getting in that have say a 3.5 weighted GPA and 1200 SAT? I have a younger highschooler and this will probably be where she falls.

SEC schools other than Vandy, UF and UGA; CTCL schools; Jesuit schools other than Georgetown and BC; High Point U, the life skillz university.

Don't waste your money on CTCL schools.

Please say more. Do you have children attending any of these schools?

No, I don't. One of my kids applied to a couple of them and she was high achieving and got merit money but went to a top 10-15 LAC instead. CTLC schools are more for underachievers with wealthy parents who tell themselves these schools are special when they're not. They typically have low graduation rates, etc.

So you don't really know anything about them, is what you are saying?

The CTCL do not have "low" graduation rates. Many of them have graduation rates that are quite a bit higher than the average for all private, non-profit colleges, which is 67% (that's a 6-year graduation rate, which is what is tracked). Yes, highly selective private colleges have higher graduation rates than most CTCL schools. At colleges that admit fewer than 25% of their applicants, the 6-year graduation rate is 90%. But that's exactly what you would expect for schools that strictly limit who they let in the door. There's a huge selection bias there.

I'll also add that few of the kids I've know who've gone to CTCL-type schools were likely candidates for a top 10-15 LAC. It's great that your kid had that option, but not everyone does. Where would you like kids who want a SLAC environment to go if they don't get into Amherst?

My own kid went to a CTCL school because he wanted a SLAC environment and he got a scholarship that brought the cost down to what it would have cost us to send them to our in-state public. Their college has a graduation rate that is similar to JMU's and better than CNU's, Mary Washington's, and VCU's, the public schools that were on the table. My kid was a stand-out at the college, which was great because the connections with professors led to all kinds of opportunities that probably wouldn't have been as easy to come by at bigger (or more selective) schools. Graduated in 4 years, received several honors and awards that look very nice on the resume, and is now working a well-paying job in a chosen field. That's special enough for me.

Which school?

I asked the same question of this PP in an earlier post and they answered: Clark.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid who got into a T30 school but chose to attend a CTCL instead. She was drawn to the sense of community, including the high caliber mentoring offered by professors.

It has worked out really well for her. So you can listen to those with kids who actually went to a CTCL (I rarely read negative posts from families with actual experience) or listen to the vocal minority on DCUM who have a chip on their shoulders about these schools...despite having ZERO firsthand experience with them.

We are seriously considering CTLC mind sharing school name?

Juniata College.

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Bump. Any updates on this?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid who got into a T30 school but chose to attend a CTCL instead. She was drawn to the sense of community, including the high caliber mentoring offered by professors.

It has worked out really well for her. So you can listen to those with kids who actually went to a CTCL (I rarely read negative posts from families with actual experience) or listen to the vocal minority on DCUM who have a chip on their shoulders about these schools...despite having ZERO firsthand experience with them.

We are seriously considering CTLC mind sharing school name?

Juniata College.

Nice to hear, my DD (a junior) is looking at Juniata. She's interested in environmental science and likes the option to spend a semester living at their field station.

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Trade schools. HVAC and Plumbing leading the way right now.

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Did that make your miserable little soul feel better?

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Anonymous wrote:Pitt

They wish.

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson.

Not anymore.

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Wake, Tulane, Bates, U Miami, WL

DC is at a “Big 3”