Are you getting your kids Covid tested for a runny nose?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is in daycare, so yes if it lasts at least 48 hours (which is how long my ped requires symptoms to persist before testing). I actually took her for a test last Friday after she'd been sick (and home of course) most of the last week.

Same poster again -- I don't care how unlikely transmission is; the test is for my and the daycare's peace of mind.

thanks to someone who actually GAF about other people!!!!

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I work at a peds urgent care in the area. Last shift I did about 15 covid tests as usual. The two that were positive- one kid with a runny nose and sneezing that I tested because he was in preschool but told parent likely allergies and advised OTC allergy meds, glad I tested him. The second was an elementary aged child who slept in late and was grumpy and had a headache in the morning but otherwise seemed fine, parent worked outside the home but child has been in virtual school and one outside the home extracurricular each week where there were no sick contacts.

So, yes, very mild nothingburger symptoms in kids can absolutely be covid. Don't be dumb, get tested.


DH works in the Children's ED and says they have actually seen an uptick in pediatric COVID cases in the last week.


Schools!!!

Not just schools. Also parents who are vaccinated and taking more risks.

My neighbor has been in private this whole time with zero cases until just this month, when they have had 6 already. We think it’s either the parents taking more risks because they’re vaccinated, or it’s the variants spreading more easily among kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people understand how almost impossible it is for a child to get Covid and for the adults in their household not to get it? This is how Covid spreads. If you're kid has it, you either have it or just had it. Just get yourself tested. We go to the testing place a couple blocks away whenever we are in doubt. I'm not going to subject my kid to that for every random runny nose or sneeze because even though the test itself is no big deal, getting one is a whole production and it's genuinely hard to do with a small child. I can easily wait 15 minutes and then get tested by someone in full PPE -- my 3 yr old would throw a fit at that entire outing and everyone would be miserable.

We do not need to be testing small children constantly.

My 14 month old had it and nobody else got it...

Yeah, I know several kids who have had it without positive tests from parents. Not common, but not even remotely almost impossible. Also, try a different testing site if yours is hard with kids. Mine (2 and 4) actually look forward to getting tested at our pediatricians. They say it tickles, and they get lollipops. We're and out in 5 mins. It's so not a big deal for them.

Actually incredibly unlikely. The parents probably had it but didn’t test at a time when they the virus was active. The best way is to figure out when the child was exposed and then test multiple times. And it can vary by person. I know a family where they all got tested the day the learned if the exposure, and mom tested positive but dad was negative. Dad tested again three days later and was positive. They are all in the same house. Just random that the virus took longer to infect him.

My philosophy is test everyone for a known exposure regardless of symptoms. But for something mild like a runny nose that could be a symptom or could be something else? DH and I test and we keep an eye on it. DH and I have been tested over a dozen times (all negative). Kid has never been tested. She also is the least likely source of infection though because DH and I have to be indoors with other people much more frequently than she does.

Why are people spreading this nonsense? Even in the same house, COVID transmission is only about 50% on average -- LESS when kids are the first infected. If your kid is going to school/has non-parental infection sources, there is no reason to think that a negative parent test necessarily means a negative kid test, especially if only the kid has symptoms.

Closer to 16 percent

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/

That study is interesting.
Here are the findings:

Results: A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

Notably, you’re much less likely to be infected by an asymptomatic contact than a symptomatic one. 18 percent vs 0.7 percent, or 25 times as likely. So much for the theory of mass undetected asymptomatic transmission by children.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are attending school, so yes I get them tested for a runny nose. We actually went this weekend - even though I thought it was allergies - because it's my responsibility to the community. It look 30 minutes, in and out, and they were both negative and I was relieved. It wasn't a big deal.

If you send your kid to school with symptoms, and don't have them tested beforehand, you are terrible.

Man, I'm confused. The Open 'Er Up contigent has been repeatedly assuring us for a year that if schools opened, parents wouldn't do what they so often have done in the past: send their kids to school sick or maybe sick, without testing, because the parents were "busy" or "had a meeting" and "it's probably just allergies anyway" and wouldn't refrain from testing because they didn't want the inconvenience of potentially having to quarantine. Supposedly since we were in a pandemic and parents wanted schools open so badly, this behavior would totally change.

But it hasn't. Shocked face.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I can’t be bothered.

We’re also going to Florida for spring break and not getting tested or quarantining when we come back to DC.

Like I said, can’t be bothered.

Here's that attention you ordered.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people understand how almost impossible it is for a child to get Covid and for the adults in their household not to get it? This is how Covid spreads. If you're kid has it, you either have it or just had it. Just get yourself tested. We go to the testing place a couple blocks away whenever we are in doubt. I'm not going to subject my kid to that for every random runny nose or sneeze because even though the test itself is no big deal, getting one is a whole production and it's genuinely hard to do with a small child. I can easily wait 15 minutes and then get tested by someone in full PPE -- my 3 yr old would throw a fit at that entire outing and everyone would be miserable.

We do not need to be testing small children constantly.

My 14 month old had it and nobody else got it...

Yeah, I know several kids who have had it without positive tests from parents. Not common, but not even remotely almost impossible. Also, try a different testing site if yours is hard with kids. Mine (2 and 4) actually look forward to getting tested at our pediatricians. They say it tickles, and they get lollipops. We're and out in 5 mins. It's so not a big deal for them.

Actually incredibly unlikely. The parents probably had it but didn’t test at a time when they the virus was active. The best way is to figure out when the child was exposed and then test multiple times. And it can vary by person. I know a family where they all got tested the day the learned if the exposure, and mom tested positive but dad was negative. Dad tested again three days later and was positive. They are all in the same house. Just random that the virus took longer to infect him.

My philosophy is test everyone for a known exposure regardless of symptoms. But for something mild like a runny nose that could be a symptom or could be something else? DH and I test and we keep an eye on it. DH and I have been tested over a dozen times (all negative). Kid has never been tested. She also is the least likely source of infection though because DH and I have to be indoors with other people much more frequently than she does.

Why are people spreading this nonsense? Even in the same house, COVID transmission is only about 50% on average -- LESS when kids are the first infected. If your kid is going to school/has non-parental infection sources, there is no reason to think that a negative parent test necessarily means a negative kid test, especially if only the kid has symptoms.

Closer to 16 percent

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/

That study is interesting.
Here are the findings:

Results: A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

Notably, you’re much less likely to be infected by an asymptomatic contact than a symptomatic one. 18 percent vs 0.7 percent, or 25 times as likely. So much for the theory of mass undetected asymptomatic transmission by children.

Actually the CDC says that combined asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission account for 40-50% of cases of COVID. I think we'll listen to them instead of agenda-driven randos on the internet.

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Recommendations on where to get a quick test for infants/young toddlers?

Our pediatrician does not do testing, so we’ve had our one year old tested in the ER (6 hour visit, but she was actually sick with a cough) and urgent care (90 minutes for a runny nose).

The testing site near us won’t test toddlers. I call my pediatrician for advice on whether or not to go to urgent care for a test, but would go more regularly for runny noses if it was as easy as going to the pediatrician instead of an ordeal with urgent care waiting rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Recommendations on where to get a quick test for infants/young toddlers?

Our pediatrician does not do testing, so we’ve had our one year old tested in the ER (6 hour visit, but she was actually sick with a cough) and urgent care (90 minutes for a runny nose).

The testing site near us won’t test toddlers. I call my pediatrician for advice on whether or not to go to urgent care for a test, but would go more regularly for runny noses if it was as easy as going to the pediatrician instead of an ordeal with urgent care waiting rooms.

This.
Some people don't seem to realize that testing for very young children isn't widespread. We've taken our infant and preschooler (they're in daycare) to PM Pediatrics several times for tests due to runny noses, but there's a 3 to 5 day wait for results. We can make do, but that isn't exactly practical for a lot of families, especially when it happens repeatedly and seems far more likely to be allergies.
Our pediatrician doesn't consider a runny nose by itself a reason to be tested. Our daycare doesn't, either. We've been erring on the side of caution, but our older DD clearly has allergies (runny nose responds to Zyrtec) so, no, I'm not getting her tested every time that pops up now.

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Anonymous wrote:Recommendations on where to get a quick test for infants/young toddlers?

Our pediatrician does not do testing, so we’ve had our one year old tested in the ER (6 hour visit, but she was actually sick with a cough) and urgent care (90 minutes for a runny nose).

The testing site near us won’t test toddlers. I call my pediatrician for advice on whether or not to go to urgent care for a test, but would go more regularly for runny noses if it was as easy as going to the pediatrician instead of an ordeal with urgent care waiting rooms.

That is terrible. Our pediatrician in NoVa now does a rapid and a PCR test simultaneously (since January). They won't test without symptoms or exposure. We haven't had to use it yet but I'm so glad the option is there now.

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Anonymous wrote:Recommendations on where to get a quick test for infants/young toddlers?

Our pediatrician does not do testing, so we’ve had our one year old tested in the ER (6 hour visit, but she was actually sick with a cough) and urgent care (90 minutes for a runny nose).

The testing site near us won’t test toddlers. I call my pediatrician for advice on whether or not to go to urgent care for a test, but would go more regularly for runny noses if it was as easy as going to the pediatrician instead of an ordeal with urgent care waiting rooms.

This.
Some people don't seem to realize that testing for very young children isn't widespread. We've taken our infant and preschooler (they're in daycare) to PM Pediatrics several times for tests due to runny noses, but there's a 3 to 5 day wait for results. We can make do, but that isn't exactly practical for a lot of families, especially when it happens repeatedly and seems far more likely to be allergies.
Our pediatrician doesn't consider a runny nose by itself a reason to be tested. Our daycare doesn't, either. We've been erring on the side of caution, but our older DD clearly has allergies (runny nose responds to Zyrtec) so, no, I'm not getting her tested every time that pops up now.

I could have written this almost word for word, except that our daycare does consider runny nose a symptom if combined with something else (e.g., cough). If there were easy access to rapid tests for young kids, then sure, I'll test him every time he sneezes. But that isn't the case. We've gone to PM pediatrics a couple times as well even though our ped didn't think it was necessary.

Maybe it's the masks, but we've actually had very few colds since our kids returned to daycare last summer. But we are all prone to allergies and have a huge oak tree out front that is about to shower everything with pollen. If we all have our typical allergy symptoms during that time, it's ridiculous to risk exposure at urgent care and keep them home for several days waiting for a PCR test result.

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Anonymous wrote:Recommendations on where to get a quick test for infants/young toddlers?

Our pediatrician does not do testing, so we’ve had our one year old tested in the ER (6 hour visit, but she was actually sick with a cough) and urgent care (90 minutes for a runny nose).

The testing site near us won’t test toddlers. I call my pediatrician for advice on whether or not to go to urgent care for a test, but would go more regularly for runny noses if it was as easy as going to the pediatrician instead of an ordeal with urgent care waiting rooms.

This.
Some people don't seem to realize that testing for very young children isn't widespread. We've taken our infant and preschooler (they're in daycare) to PM Pediatrics several times for tests due to runny noses, but there's a 3 to 5 day wait for results. We can make do, but that isn't exactly practical for a lot of families, especially when it happens repeatedly and seems far more likely to be allergies.
Our pediatrician doesn't consider a runny nose by itself a reason to be tested. Our daycare doesn't, either. We've been erring on the side of caution, but our older DD clearly has allergies (runny nose responds to Zyrtec) so, no, I'm not getting her tested every time that pops up now.

I could have written this almost word for word, except that our daycare does consider runny nose a symptom if combined with something else (e.g., cough). If there were easy access to rapid tests for young kids, then sure, I'll test him every time he sneezes. But that isn't the case. We've gone to PM pediatrics a couple times as well even though our ped didn't think it was necessary.

Maybe it's the masks, but we've actually had very few colds since our kids returned to daycare last summer. But we are all prone to allergies and have a huge oak tree out front that is about to shower everything with pollen. If we all have our typical allergy symptoms during that time, it's ridiculous to risk exposure at urgent care and keep them home for several days waiting for a PCR test result.

I'm the PP you quoted. Same boat here...DH, older DD, and I all have seasonal allergies, and the pollen is already getting to us. Responds to allergy meds, so I see no point in exposure to urgent care for testing, either. The last time we were at PM Pediatrics for testing, there were at least 10 other families there...all for covid tests. Far too much exposure for my comfort, especially with an infant who can't wear a mask!
You might have misunderstood my initial post...our daycare doesn't consider a runny nose by itself to be a reason for exclusion, but it is if combined with fever or any other symptom. Pediatrician has the same opinion. The masks and extra cleaning and distancing at our daycare do seem to be effective, since there were very, very few reports of illnesses over the winter.

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That study is interesting.
Here are the findings:

Results: A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).


Notably, you’re much less likely to be infected by an asymptomatic contact than a symptomatic one. 18 percent vs 0.7 percent, or 25 times as likely. So much for the theory of mass undetected asymptomatic transmission by children.


Actually the CDC says that combined asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission account for 40-50% of cases of COVID. I think we'll listen to them instead of agenda-driven randos on the internet

No. CDC says 40% of cases are asymptomatic. CDC is basically admitting asymptomatic transmission is not a thing now that they say vaccinated people with low amount of virus in nose don’t transmit.

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I work at a peds urgent care in the area. Last shift I did about 15 covid tests as usual. The two that were positive- one kid with a runny nose and sneezing that I tested because he was in preschool but told parent likely allergies and advised OTC allergy meds, glad I tested him. The second was an elementary aged child who slept in late and was grumpy and had a headache in the morning but otherwise seemed fine, parent worked outside the home but child has been in virtual school and one outside the home extracurricular each week where there were no sick contacts.

So, yes, very mild nothingburger symptoms in kids can absolutely be covid. Don't be dumb, get tested.


DH works in the Children's ED and says they have actually seen an uptick in pediatric COVID cases in the last week.


Schools!!!

Not just schools. Also parents who are vaccinated and taking more risks.

My neighbor has been in private this whole time with zero cases until just this month, when they have had 6 already. We think it’s either the parents taking more risks because they’re vaccinated, or it’s the variants spreading more easily among kids.

Nonsense. Vaccinated adults and young children are very unlikely to spread the virus. Much more likely for teachers to pass the virus to kids in a school setting.

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Anonymous wrote:The ONLY symptom my kid had was a runny nose. We brought them in bc we thought they may have an ear infection. Doctor made us test due to child being in preschool. Positive rapid test.

An evil part of me wishes we didn’t get the test bc we had to quarantine for a month.

Did your doctor also order a non-rapid test? The rapid tests have a lot of false positives. You still have to quarantine with a follow up negative test, but it’s a more accurate test, so you’d have better info.

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Anonymous wrote:

I work at a peds urgent care in the area. Last shift I did about 15 covid tests as usual. The two that were positive- one kid with a runny nose and sneezing that I tested because he was in preschool but told parent likely allergies and advised OTC allergy meds, glad I tested him. The second was an elementary aged child who slept in late and was grumpy and had a headache in the morning but otherwise seemed fine, parent worked outside the home but child has been in virtual school and one outside the home extracurricular each week where there were no sick contacts.

So, yes, very mild nothingburger symptoms in kids can absolutely be covid. Don't be dumb, get tested.


DH works in the Children's ED and says they have actually seen an uptick in pediatric COVID cases in the last week.


Schools!!!

Not just schools. Also parents who are vaccinated and taking more risks.

My neighbor has been in private this whole time with zero cases until just this month, when they have had 6 already. We think it’s either the parents taking more risks because they’re vaccinated, or it’s the variants spreading more easily among kids.

Nonsense. Vaccinated adults and young children are very unlikely to spread the virus. Much more likely for teachers to pass the virus to kids in a school setting.

We know severity of symptoms correlated with infectiousness. So if as many as six kids were infected at daycare they were probably exposed to someone with symptoms. We also know that many, if not most, low wage workers cannot afford to stay home when they are sick. Combine that with the fact that adults tend to be much more infectious than children, it’s likely that the children were infected by a staff member.

One question. Is the daycare requiring masks on children?