sorority hazing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any group that decides who can join and who can't is hazing-it has many meanings.

So is it hazing when children submit applications to be in the various high school honor societies and are not chosen? I'm not sure how it works in all high schools, but at my child's school, students complete an application, and it clearly states it isn't just grades that determine who is asked to be a member.

What about college acceptances? Are those who aren't accepted being hazed?

As someone else mentioned, what about applying for jobs?

School plays?

We could go on and on. I don't agree with hazing and absolutely think it shouldn't be allowed, but your statement is way off base.

Someone does not know what hazing is - and is not.

Which post are you replying to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the chance you take when joining a fraternity or sorority. It's one of the reasons I went to a college without a Greek system. They have to do something to really set themselves apart, otherwise they would be just like any other club, but without anything to bond them together. Partying is the bond.

You know that you can go to a school with a Greek system and just have sense enough not to participate, right?

And responsible parents should say no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

What is the upshot of your argument? That everyone needs to go to a Greek campus or else they'll miss out on...something? Sorry, not all of us enjoy being around that scene and will take our business elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They all do it , schools turn a blind eye to most of it because of the money involved.

Schools are businesses, nothing more. a relative was killed in a hazing incident, they go through the motions to make people think they are taking care of it but they don't.

They don't "all do it." Some chapters haze. Most don't haze. Hazing is illegal and harshly sanctioned by schools and national organizations. If more students reported hazing (which they are required to by their national organizations!) it would stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Yes there are. Let's start with country clubs.

Let's start with the application process for elite colleges. An education is only part of what people are paying for. "Networking" aka "buying friends" is the other part of what people are paying for. If it was just an education, people would be just as happy at Whatsamatta State University.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Spoken like a true geed. Still bitter the frat bros got all the chicks you wanted to date in college?

Well, considering I’m a woman, and I picked a school with no Greek system - no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Yes there are. Let's start with country clubs.

Ok, fair point. And I would never opt (or rather, beg) to join a country club, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

You’re actually lumping frats and sororities in with organizations that choose people based on grades, athletic ability, musical/acting talent (MERIT)? And you’re calling other people stupid?? Tell us, what’s the criteria for getting into a frat/sorority?
1. Popularity
2. Good looks
3. Money

How lame and sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

DP. And that’s the sort of society you like, is it? Why is that?

DP. like it or not, the college itself (the place you presumably want DC to make friends) discriminates based on the ability to pay. The same is true for private school and public if you go to a neighborhood with expensive homes. The same is true for youth sports, youth camps and even a ton of youth service organizations. the Greek system is just another group where your kid makes friends based on the ability to pay in a long line that your kid has been exposed to since they started school

You can’t even be serious. Why do girls have to buy a whole new wardrobe for rush? Gotta look the part, amirite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Yes there are. Let's start with country clubs.

Let's start with the application process for elite colleges. An education is only part of what people are paying for. "Networking" aka "buying friends" is the other part of what people are paying for. If it was just an education, people would be just as happy at Whatsamatta State University.

Except that at elite schools, you also have to have achieved academic success, among other things. You’re not just flashing those dimples and looking hot.

[Anonymous]

Elite schools grade easiest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

You’re actually lumping frats and sororities in with organizations that choose people based on grades, athletic ability, musical/acting talent (MERIT)? And you’re calling other people stupid?? Tell us, what’s the criteria for getting into a frat/sorority?
1. Popularity
2. Good looks
3. Money

How lame and sad.

It is lame and sad to denigrate organizations about which you know nothing. You’ve formed your biases and you haven’t even bothered to understand how and why fraternities and sororities operate/exist. Before being so hateful and judgmental, perhaps you should spend some time researching the organizations. If you are going to form prejudices at least form them with some knowledge and basis in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

You’re actually lumping frats and sororities in with organizations that choose people based on grades, athletic ability, musical/acting talent (MERIT)? And you’re calling other people stupid?? Tell us, what’s the criteria for getting into a frat/sorority?
1. Popularity
2. Good looks
3. Money

How lame and sad.

It is lame and sad to denigrate organizations about which you know nothing. You’ve formed your biases and you haven’t even bothered to understand how and why fraternities and sororities operate/exist. Before being so hateful and judgmental, perhaps you should spend some time researching the organizations. If you are going to form prejudices at least form them with some knowledge and basis in fact.

Oh please get off your high horse. Fraternities and Sororities are party houses period. Once in a blue moon, there is a business frat or some sort of organization not related to drinking and or drugs. No reason at all to buy friends. Yeah, they do some charitable things that any organization can do, not exclusive to traditional frats and sororities. And many sororities and fraternities are as Racist and Anti-Semitic as they come. Test banks really? Can not study without old tests? LOL Ah and the cost of these, not like students of lower-income can afford to join. I could care less if someone joins, my point is they are not in any way amazing organizations they are businesses. Those charities they raise money for usually involve parties with extreme drinking and drugs and if you as a parent do not see this you are blind and dumb. Am I completely against them no, but make no mistake any parent that pays for their student to join these should not go in blindly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

DP. And that’s the sort of society you like, is it? Why is that?

DP. like it or not, the college itself (the place you presumably want DC to make friends) discriminates based on the ability to pay. The same is true for private school and public if you go to a neighborhood with expensive homes. The same is true for youth sports, youth camps and even a ton of youth service organizations. the Greek system is just another group where your kid makes friends based on the ability to pay in a long line that your kid has been exposed to since they started school

You can’t even be serious. Why do girls have to buy a whole new wardrobe for rush? Gotta look the part, amirite?

Where did you go to school- that certainly wasn’t the case where I went

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.

Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.

Ugh, you again? There are no other organizations that require you to audition for, and then pay for, friends. That’s so basic it’s astounding it has to be explained to you over and over.

Because you sound stupid. If you don't think there are groups across college and in adult life that exclude on different bases and require you to "pay for your friends", you are in fact stupid. Greek houses are no different from that in that respect. It's just not. There have been multiple examples of htat given here and on other threads. You just have a stick up your ass about the Greek system. That's fine. But doesn't make you right. At all.

You’re actually lumping frats and sororities in with organizations that choose people based on grades, athletic ability, musical/acting talent (MERIT)? And you’re calling other people stupid?? Tell us, what’s the criteria for getting into a frat/sorority?
1. Popularity
2. Good looks
3. Money

How lame and sad.

It is lame and sad to denigrate organizations about which you know nothing. You’ve formed your biases and you haven’t even bothered to understand how and why fraternities and sororities operate/exist. Before being so hateful and judgmental, perhaps you should spend some time researching the organizations. If you are going to form prejudices at least form them with some knowledge and basis in fact.

Oh please get off your high horse. Fraternities and Sororities are party houses period. Once in a blue moon, there is a business frat or some sort of organization not related to drinking and or drugs. No reason at all to buy friends. Yeah, they do some charitable things that any organization can do, not exclusive to traditional frats and sororities. And many sororities and fraternities are as Racist and Anti-Semitic as they come. Test banks really? Can not study without old tests? LOL Ah and the cost of these, not like students of lower-income can afford to join. I could care less if someone joins, my point is they are not in any way amazing organizations they are businesses. Those charities they raise money for usually involve parties with extreme drinking and drugs and if you as a parent do not see this you are blind and dumb. Am I completely against them no, but make no mistake any parent that pays for their student to join these should not go in blindly.

Oh please. High horse comment coming from someone casting judgement... Clearly you have strong misinformed opinions or some anecdotal experience that has obscured reasoned thought. That’s fine, but you should recognize that your hate and fury at these institutions appears to be more about you.