The Ivy League is a sports league

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Anonymous wrote:UVM, Miami Ohio, and UVA are definitely all in the same tier. Not sure why people have an issue with this.

I would no longer include Miami in that list.

-- Miami grad 1993.

It's a fine school. Used to be considered the best in Ohio. And it's a great undergraduate school. But I don't know that its kept pace with the rigor as the others on the original list.

That's like saying you're the best hockey player in Ecuador.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a "Public Ivy." It's like calling Brown a "Private ACC."

Stop it.

Whoa. I didn’t know this. And I say “public ivy” all the time in reference to UVA, Michigan, UT Austin, Cal, Minnesota, and possibly UNC. But now that I’ve read this post I will definitely stop saying that. Thanks OP!

Wait I'm sorry. I get Michigan. And UC Berkeley. And even Georgia Tech. But...UVA? UT AUSTIN? In the words of our going-on-48-days-without-a-press-conference President: "Come on, Man!"

But you're cool with Minnesota?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed, it is a sports league and a miserable one at that, absolutely horrible, they should just drop sports altogether.

I'd be 100% for that.

Chill, OP. We know what people mean.

-Harvard graduate

Nothing more arrogant than a poster signing off like this. It gives you no more authority to speak on this than anyone else. Get bent.

Being from the school doesn't confer some level of weigh to opinions regarding the school?

-Princeton undergrad, Yale law, Harvard MBA, complete douchebag

You forgot the most important part.

Sour grapes, crab mentality. Very unfortunate for yoi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Indeed, it is a sports league and a miserable one at that, absolutely horrible, they should just drop sports altogether.

I'd be 100% for that.

Chill, OP. We know what people mean.

-Harvard graduate

Nothing more arrogant than a poster signing off like this. It gives you no more authority to speak on this than anyone else. Get bent.

Being from the school doesn't confer some level of weigh to opinions regarding the school?

-Princeton undergrad, Yale law, Harvard MBA

You must have felt a bit giddy typing that out. It's been a while since you found an occasion to throw all of your pedigree into one conversation, huh?
Too bad you don't have a PhD from Oxford. You missed an opportunity to really impress. Plus then we would have to call you "Dr" on twitter.

Not really, people simply know it, it does not need to be brought up.

PhD. is terrible investment, and only a few can survive on 20k euros per year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a "Public Ivy." It's like calling Brown a "Private ACC."

Stop it.

Whoa. I didn’t know this. And I say “public ivy” all the time in reference to UVA, Michigan, UT Austin, Cal, Minnesota, and possibly UNC. But now that I’ve read this post I will definitely stop saying that. Thanks OP!

Wait I'm sorry. I get Michigan. And UC Berkeley. And even Georgia Tech. But...UVA? UT AUSTIN? In the words of our going-on-48-days-without-a-press-conference President: "Come on, Man!"

But you're cool with Minnesota?

Nobody's cool with Minnesota. Wisconsin, on the other hand....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a "Public Ivy." It's like calling Brown a "Private ACC."

Stop it.

Whoa. I didn’t know this. And I say “public ivy” all the time in reference to UVA, Michigan, UT Austin, Cal, Minnesota, and possibly UNC. But now that I’ve read this post I will definitely stop saying that. Thanks OP!

Wait I'm sorry. I get Michigan. And UC Berkeley. And even Georgia Tech. But...UVA? UT AUSTIN? In the words of our going-on-48-days-without-a-press-conference President: "Come on, Man!"

Underrated post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a "Public Ivy." It's like calling Brown a "Private ACC."

Stop it.

Whoa. I didn’t know this. And I say “public ivy” all the time in reference to UVA, Michigan, UT Austin, Cal, Minnesota, and possibly UNC. But now that I’ve read this post I will definitely stop saying that. Thanks OP!

Wait I'm sorry. I get Michigan. And UC Berkeley. And even Georgia Tech. But...UVA? UT AUSTIN? In the words of our going-on-48-days-without-a-press-conference President: "Come on, Man!"

But you're cool with Minnesota?

I’m not sure whether that’s the weirdest part of PPs rant or whether it’s the failure to realize that UT Austin of course belongs on this silly list of top schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is silly. No one thinks Stanford sucks because it’s not an Ivy. Everyone knows what you mean when you say a public Ivy.

I live in the northeast and have a kid at a T10 school and have no idea which schools specifically are meant by this term.

+1

It's not that meaningful if no one knows which schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is, only schools that don't have much else to advertise constantly harp on the "Ivy" or "public Ivy" slogan.

You will never see a Berkeley booster call Berkeley a "public Ivy" - they will just straight up argue that Berkeley is among the top 5 best universities in the world (and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong) and better than all the Ivies (they will bring up engineering when arguing they are better than Harvard).
This is true to a lesser extent with Michigan & UNC-CH. These are schools that directly compete with the top/middle Ivies in research, recruiting professors, and STEM international students. Calling themselves "public Ivies" is essentially ceding the ground to the real Ivies.

Meanwhile UVA & W&M boosters (and admissions) go absolutely nuts over the public Ivy stuff, primarily because these schools are in no competition with Ivies when it comes to research standings or students.

W&M has "feel" of the lesser Ivies, but that feeling is more akin to Northeastern liberal arts colleges rather than the well known Ivies like Harvard, Penn, etc. which are all research and professional-focused universities

What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term. If there was such a list, I think Penn (other than Wharton) at least used to be on it.

[Anonymous]

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What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term.

It isn't, unless you are an imbecile. Your ignorance of the term is proof you are not one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fact of the matter is, only schools that don't have much else to advertise constantly harp on the "Ivy" or "public Ivy" slogan.

You will never see a Berkeley booster call Berkeley a "public Ivy" - they will just straight up argue that Berkeley is among the top 5 best universities in the world (and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong) and better than all the Ivies (they will bring up engineering when arguing they are better than Harvard).
This is true to a lesser extent with Michigan & UNC-CH. These are schools that directly compete with the top/middle Ivies in research, recruiting professors, and STEM international students. Calling themselves "public Ivies" is essentially ceding the ground to the real Ivies.

Meanwhile UVA & W&M boosters (and admissions) go absolutely nuts over the public Ivy stuff, primarily because these schools are in no competition with Ivies when it comes to research standings or students.

W&M has "feel" of the lesser Ivies, but that feeling is more akin to Northeastern liberal arts colleges rather than the well known Ivies like Harvard, Penn, etc. which are all research and professional-focused universities

What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term. If there was such a list, I think Penn (other than Wharton) at least used to be on it.

The ones that suck at water polo.

[Anonymous]

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What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term.

It isn't, unless you are an imbecile. Your ignorance of the term is proof you are not one.

HYP are in a league of their own. The others are very top schools too but not quite HYP

-Cornell Alum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term.

It isn't, unless you are an imbecile. Your ignorance of the term is proof you are not one.

HYP are in a league of their own. The others are very top schools too but not quite HYP

-Cornell Alum

Awesome. If that were the point being made, your response would have been very useful.

[Anonymous]

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What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term.

It isn't, unless you are an imbecile. Your ignorance of the term is proof you are not one.

The lesser Ivies are Brown and Dartmouth, both schools that are more similar to LACs than research universities.

Interesting that you do know of the term; that makes you an imbecile.

Penn, Columbia, Cornell are not "lesser" Ivies, they are middle tier Ivies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What are the "lesser" Ivies? I didn't know that was a term.

It isn't, unless you are an imbecile. Your ignorance of the term is proof you are not one.

The lesser Ivies are Brown and Dartmouth, both schools that are more similar to LACs than research universities.

Interesting that you do know of the term; that makes you an imbecile.

Penn, Columbia, Cornell are not "lesser" Ivies, they are middle tier Ivies.

PP here, and I stand by my original statement, with the introduction of additional confirming evidence from you.

Brown and Dartmouth are not "similar to LACs" in any regard. Dartmouth's nomenclature as "Dartmouth College" is based on history and marketing. They are both among the only 131 universities qualified by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education as R1 research universities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_StatesR1