WTU/DCPS reach agreement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread just shows how dependent even the wealthy are on public education, which is usually a good thing, but this year has worked against DC kids. Ask yourselves why we’ve had so little momentum to reopen from parents? Other places opened because there was pressure. Why not here?

I posted about this on a different thread. It's because the wealthiest can afford pods, tutors, private for one year, etc. The worst are the LSAT and PTA reps who sat back and didn't advocate for schools to reopen, but put their kids in pods. They're totally cool sending their kids to someone's 100 year old basement without strict safety protocols. They have less safe measures than schools reopening and their kids get a private teacher and friends. Their families are neither feeling the negative effects of school closures nor staying safe to reduce community spread. So hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like we said that before November, and then it still blew up. I'll believe it when my kids walk through the doors.

This. DCPS always had the authority to assign teachers back to work, but they chose not to use it. This agreement gave the union some extra terms they wanted including the right for some teachers to not return to work, but didn't give DCPS anything they didn’t already have. WTU already has a no strike clause so they couldn’t strike/ refuse to return to work. That’s why the teachers who went on strike on November 2nd were so careful to frame it as not a strike, but a sick day.

Then DCPS allowed each school to come up with their own reopening plan, which was a horrible shirking of duties. Some schools have plans that include no in person learning for some grades.

I’ll believe that schools are reopening after I’ve dropped my kids off.

it was a strike, obviously. DCPS showed restraint in not pursuing that violation.

Agree, it was obviously a strike. However, DCPS would have a hard time proving it for each individual teacher because they're entitled to use sick leave of under 3 consecutive days without medical documentation. It would be extremely difficult to prove that each individual teacher couldn't have been feeling sick. WTU knew that and violated their contract with the knowledge that discipline of individual teachers would have been nearly impossible to uphold.

Nah. Someone posted WTU communications about it. It was obviously a concerted action supported/directed by the union.

Of course it was. But how do you discipline a specific teacher for it unless you have an email from that teacher indicating that they weren't really sick and were just striking? I wish they would be disciplined, but it will never happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we said that before November, and then it still blew up. I'll believe it when my kids walk through the doors.

This. DCPS always had the authority to assign teachers back to work, but they chose not to use it. This agreement gave the union some extra terms they wanted including the right for some teachers to not return to work, but didn't give DCPS anything they didn’t already have. WTU already has a no strike clause so they couldn’t strike/ refuse to return to work. That’s why the teachers who went on strike on November 2nd were so careful to frame it as not a strike, but a sick day.

Then DCPS allowed each school to come up with their own reopening plan, which was a horrible shirking of duties. Some schools have plans that include no in person learning for some grades.

I’ll believe that schools are reopening after I’ve dropped my kids off.

it was a strike, obviously. DCPS showed restraint in not pursuing that violation.

Agree, it was obviously a strike. However, DCPS would have a hard time proving it for each individual teacher because they're entitled to use sick leave of under 3 consecutive days without medical documentation. It would be extremely difficult to prove that each individual teacher couldn't have been feeling sick. WTU knew that and violated their contract with the knowledge that discipline of individual teachers would have been nearly impossible to uphold.

Nah. Someone posted WTU communications about it. It was obviously a concerted action supported/directed by the union.

Of course it was. But how do you discipline a specific teacher for it unless you have an email from that teacher indicating that they weren't really sick and were just striking? I wish they would be disciplined, but it will never happen.

I don't know but I find Section 49 of the MOA very interesting and would love to see the lawsuit DCPS filed.


https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/wtulocal6action/pages/399/attachments/original/1608306980/Signed.WTU-DCPSMOA.pdf?1608306980&link_id=0&can_id=658ebe88be98114776d6a2f88cdb2593&source=email-moa-member-town-hall&email_referrer=email_1026441&email_subject=moa-member-town-hall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we said that before November, and then it still blew up. I'll believe it when my kids walk through the doors.

This. DCPS always had the authority to assign teachers back to work, but they chose not to use it. This agreement gave the union some extra terms they wanted including the right for some teachers to not return to work, but didn't give DCPS anything they didn’t already have. WTU already has a no strike clause so they couldn’t strike/ refuse to return to work. That’s why the teachers who went on strike on November 2nd were so careful to frame it as not a strike, but a sick day.

Then DCPS allowed each school to come up with their own reopening plan, which was a horrible shirking of duties. Some schools have plans that include no in person learning for some grades.

I’ll believe that schools are reopening after I’ve dropped my kids off.

it was a strike, obviously. DCPS showed restraint in not pursuing that violation.

Agree, it was obviously a strike. However, DCPS would have a hard time proving it for each individual teacher because they're entitled to use sick leave of under 3 consecutive days without medical documentation. It would be extremely difficult to prove that each individual teacher couldn't have been feeling sick. WTU knew that and violated their contract with the knowledge that discipline of individual teachers would have been nearly impossible to uphold.

Nah. Someone posted WTU communications about it. It was obviously a concerted action supported/directed by the union.

Of course it was. But how do you discipline a specific teacher for it unless you have an email from that teacher indicating that they weren't really sick and were just striking? I wish they would be disciplined, but it will never happen.

I don't know but I find Section 49 of the MOA very interesting and would love to see the lawsuit DCPS filed.


https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/wtulocal6action/pages/399/attachments/original/1608306980/Signed.WTU-DCPSMOA.pdf?1608306980&link_id=0&can_id=658ebe88be98114776d6a2f88cdb2593&source=email-moa-member-town-hall&email_referrer=email_1026441&email_subject=moa-member-town-hall

https://newspack-washingtoncitypaper.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/11/21-U-03.pdf


It’s not that exciting. Dcps wasn’t going to go after teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we said that before November, and then it still blew up. I'll believe it when my kids walk through the doors.

This. DCPS always had the authority to assign teachers back to work, but they chose not to use it. This agreement gave the union some extra terms they wanted including the right for some teachers to not return to work, but didn't give DCPS anything they didn’t already have. WTU already has a no strike clause so they couldn’t strike/ refuse to return to work. That’s why the teachers who went on strike on November 2nd were so careful to frame it as not a strike, but a sick day.

Then DCPS allowed each school to come up with their own reopening plan, which was a horrible shirking of duties. Some schools have plans that include no in person learning for some grades.

I’ll believe that schools are reopening after I’ve dropped my kids off.

it was a strike, obviously. DCPS showed restraint in not pursuing that violation.

Agree, it was obviously a strike. However, DCPS would have a hard time proving it for each individual teacher because they're entitled to use sick leave of under 3 consecutive days without medical documentation. It would be extremely difficult to prove that each individual teacher couldn't have been feeling sick. WTU knew that and violated their contract with the knowledge that discipline of individual teachers would have been nearly impossible to uphold.

Nah. Someone posted WTU communications about it. It was obviously a concerted action supported/directed by the union.

Of course it was. But how do you discipline a specific teacher for it unless you have an email from that teacher indicating that they weren't really sick and were just striking? I wish they would be disciplined, but it will never happen.

I don't know but I find Section 49 of the MOA very interesting and would love to see the lawsuit DCPS filed.


https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/wtulocal6action/pages/399/attachments/original/1608306980/Signed.WTU-DCPSMOA.pdf?1608306980&link_id=0&can_id=658ebe88be98114776d6a2f88cdb2593&source=email-moa-member-town-hall&email_referrer=email_1026441&email_subject=moa-member-town-hall

https://newspack-washingtoncitypaper.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/11/21-U-03.pdf


It’s not that exciting. Dcps wasn’t going to go after teachers.

Thank you for posting this! I couldn't find it on the PERB site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just shows how dependent even the wealthy are on public education, which is usually a good thing, but this year has worked against DC kids. Ask yourselves why we’ve had so little momentum to reopen from parents? Other places opened because there was pressure. Why not here?

I posted about this on a different thread. It's because the wealthiest can afford pods, tutors, private for one year, etc. The worst are the LSAT and PTA reps who sat back and didn't advocate for schools to reopen, but put their kids in pods. They're totally cool sending their kids to someone's 100 year old basement without strict safety protocols. They have less safe measures than schools reopening and their kids get a private teacher and friends. Their families are neither feeling the negative effects of school closures nor staying safe to reduce community spread. So hypocritical.

I usually would jump on the wealthy hate train but no, it's actually those at risk. You see our ONE cares classroom only has 1-2 students show up. NO ONE WANTED TO COME.

Not everything is about rich people, not everything is about whites either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just shows how dependent even the wealthy are on public education, which is usually a good thing, but this year has worked against DC kids. Ask yourselves why we’ve had so little momentum to reopen from parents? Other places opened because there was pressure. Why not here?

I posted about this on a different thread. It's because the wealthiest can afford pods, tutors, private for one year, etc. The worst are the LSAT and PTA reps who sat back and didn't advocate for schools to reopen, but put their kids in pods. They're totally cool sending their kids to someone's 100 year old basement without strict safety protocols. They have less safe measures than schools reopening and their kids get a private teacher and friends. Their families are neither feeling the negative effects of school closures nor staying safe to reduce community spread. So hypocritical.

I usually would jump on the wealthy hate train but no, it's actually those at risk. You see our ONE cares classroom only has 1-2 students show up. NO ONE WANTED TO COME.

Not everything is about rich people, not everything is about whites either.

Noone wanted to come because of the mess the WTU created, and because it’s not actually school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just shows how dependent even the wealthy are on public education, which is usually a good thing, but this year has worked against DC kids. Ask yourselves why we’ve had so little momentum to reopen from parents? Other places opened because there was pressure. Why not here?

I posted about this on a different thread. It's because the wealthiest can afford pods, tutors, private for one year, etc. The worst are the LSAT and PTA reps who sat back and didn't advocate for schools to reopen, but put their kids in pods. They're totally cool sending their kids to someone's 100 year old basement without strict safety protocols. They have less safe measures than schools reopening and their kids get a private teacher and friends. Their families are neither feeling the negative effects of school closures nor staying safe to reduce community spread. So hypocritical.

I usually would jump on the wealthy hate train but no, it's actually those at risk. You see our ONE cares classroom only has 1-2 students show up. NO ONE WANTED TO COME.

Not everything is about rich people, not everything is about whites either.

A CARE classroom is very different from In Person Learning (with a teacher). The survey results show that majority of parents in the wealthier schools want IPL, not CARE classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread just shows how dependent even the wealthy are on public education, which is usually a good thing, but this year has worked against DC kids. Ask yourselves why we’ve had so little momentum to reopen from parents? Other places opened because there was pressure. Why not here?

I posted about this on a different thread. It's because the wealthiest can afford pods, tutors, private for one year, etc. The worst are the LSAT and PTA reps who sat back and didn't advocate for schools to reopen, but put their kids in pods. They're totally cool sending their kids to someone's 100 year old basement without strict safety protocols. They have less safe measures than schools reopening and their kids get a private teacher and friends. Their families are neither feeling the negative effects of school closures nor staying safe to reduce community spread. So hypocritical.

I usually would jump on the wealthy hate train but no, it's actually those at risk. You see our ONE cares classroom only has 1-2 students show up. NO ONE WANTED TO COME.

Not everything is about rich people, not everything is about whites either.

Noone wanted to come because of the mess the WTU created, and because it’s not actually school.

+1. I wouldn't send my kids to a CARES classroom, but would send them to real in person school in a heartbeat, even a full class with just masks, regular handwashing (something I've always wished they did in school) and regularly opened windows. I don't need childcare, but my kids need school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are moving to MD or NoVa and going to public schools over this? Where teachers and leadership have the same problems and no one is back to school. Makes sense.

Some of what’s going on in this thread is conservatives who are mainly interested in their ideological agenda— breaking unions, harming public schools. (This is a big part of conservative ideology because local govts collect a lot of tax dollars and spend it on schools. So anti-tax/anti-society conservative are also anti-school.)

No, this is the narrative you're pushing to get what you want. In DC, it's liberals who want the schools open, and liberals who want the schools closed. And some liberals (like me) have now reconsidered blind support for teacher's unions. That's a lose for unions in the long term.

yep. - pro voucher liberal who sees that the teachers care only for themselves.

Teachers already get paid crap. Now you are saying they should put kids first and take the risk of coming down with Covid for the greater good. C’mon- just listen to yourself. Teachers have always been treated badly in the US and now we are paying the price. I’m a parent not a teacher but this is obvious stuff that you should not need explained

Teachers in DCPS do NOT get paid like crap. My kid's PK4 teacher and K teacher both make very low six figures.

You have to have been teaching for many many years to get to 100k. Plus have advanced degrees. Most teachers are not making close to 100k contrary to what DCUM thinks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are moving to MD or NoVa and going to public schools over this? Where teachers and leadership have the same problems and no one is back to school. Makes sense.

Some of what’s going on in this thread is conservatives who are mainly interested in their ideological agenda— breaking unions, harming public schools. (This is a big part of conservative ideology because local govts collect a lot of tax dollars and spend it on schools. So anti-tax/anti-society conservative are also anti-school.)

No, this is the narrative you're pushing to get what you want. In DC, it's liberals who want the schools open, and liberals who want the schools closed. And some liberals (like me) have now reconsidered blind support for teacher's unions. That's a lose for unions in the long term.

yep. - pro voucher liberal who sees that the teachers care only for themselves.

Teachers already get paid crap. Now you are saying they should put kids first and take the risk of coming down with Covid for the greater good. C’mon- just listen to yourself. Teachers have always been treated badly in the US and now we are paying the price. I’m a parent not a teacher but this is obvious stuff that you should not need explained

Teachers in DCPS do NOT get paid like crap. My kid's PK4 teacher and K teacher both make very low six figures.

You have to have been teaching for many many years to get to 100k. Plus have advanced degrees. Most teachers are not making close to 100k contrary to what DCUM thinks

This. Literally how did this false information start?

You need to work in DCPS for 10-21 years to make the low 6 figures, and by low lets just say it's literally 100k. No one is being paid 200k, because that is also a low six figures haha.


Also when you have to spend part of your paycheck on supplies I imagine that sucks.

This is not a BOO HOO teachers post, 100k is OK. However let's not pretend teachers here are rich just because they make more than others in the US. I've heard DCPS talk about making teachers rich and I think they're gonna have to do a little better than 100k in 10-20 years....

[Anonymous]

I’m in my 17th year of teaching with a Master’s degree, but am not at 100k. DCPS doesn’t recognize all my years since they didn’t all happen here.

[Anonymous]

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/ET-15%20FY%2019%20Pay%20Schedule.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my 17th year of teaching with a Master’s degree, but am not at 100k. DCPS doesn’t recognize all my years since they didn’t all happen here.

Not many parents don’t want teachers to be paid more. But it’d be nice if they could also show up and teach.

[Anonymous]

Teachers are the only people who refuse to do their job and demand a raise.