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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

This is 100% false. "all the reopen now people' are not monolithic. There may be a very very few that fit your caricature of them- but it is mostly people with elementary students or kids with learning difficulties who are really really struggling. I for one have yet to set foot inside a restaurant inside or outside. I haven't been in any one else's house or let anyone into mine (except for the ocassional plumber to fix something we tried on our own to fix and couldn't).
I have no control over what happens with the numbers. Our elected officials who have some modicum of control (The county board) have taken the position that we need to learn to live with the virus. Our school system is acting as if they will keep schools closed forever- and hang the children who are not able to engage in distance learning and are left in the dust.

It’s not a very very few. The people like YOU are the very very few. You’re not seeing all the bozos since you’re not even going out. They’re going to parties and weddings and hair salons and restaurants unmasked . Doing whatever they want.

DP. How are YOU seeing all the “bozos” if you’re holed up in your home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

+1. Relatives have had their kids back in hybrid since Sept. (upstate NY). Coworkers have had their kids back 5 days a week since Sept (PA). Bigger and smaller school systems are doing it. I’ve written off this year for my 2nd grader, at his point I’m more worried about my rising kindergartener and if I will have to move over the summer to a school district committed to educating little kids in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

Then what is driving up the numbers in the last two months? They are up about 50%. You don’t think it’s schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

Then what is driving up the numbers in the last two months? They are up about 50%. You don’t think it’s schools?

DP. I think there was a study showing it’s not schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say indefinitely. He said until after the new year. Let's not jump to conclusions.

With the “darkest Winter” ahead, it’s highly unlikely the level 2 cohort will see the inside of an APS school until September ‘21 at the earliest. And I emphasize at the earliest.

[Anonymous]

The school system knows its audience—risk averse parents who follow rules to a fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

DEEPLY

But on the other side, rationality is lacking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

Then what is driving up the numbers in the last two months? They are up about 50%. You don’t think it’s schools?

since we are on the Virginia schools forum, I assume we are talking Virginia numbers. I also am assuming you are talking state wide Virginia numbers. So on 9/2- the 7 day average of new cases was roughly 1000 a day. Today its roughly 1300 a day. So that's not a 50% increase- more like a 33% increase.

What's driving that? the vast majority of outbreaks in the last 2 months have come from 'congregate setting'. That's pretty much been true throughout- although obviously long term care facilities were a major driver early on (notably today 'congregate setting' and 'long term care facilities' are tied at 490 outbreaks a piece in the state of Virginia.)
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-outbreaks/
A congregate setting is pretty much anyplace where people gather, a restaurant, a bar, a private home, etc.
k-12 schools and colleges are listed separately. They are a tiny fraction of outbreaks, and notably the outbreak is often 2-4 cases. The most cases associated with a school stateside since August is 19 cases.

Gov Northam was pretty clear at his last press briefing was that what was driving this was small family gatherings, where people take their masks off.

So I guess to sum up- not only do I not 'think' its schools- I know its not schools- because we have reported factual data from the state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

This is 100% false. "all the reopen now people' are not monolithic. There may be a very very few that fit your caricature of them- but it is mostly people with elementary students or kids with learning difficulties who are really really struggling. I for one have yet to set foot inside a restaurant inside or outside. I haven't been in any one else's house or let anyone into mine (except for the ocassional plumber to fix something we tried on our own to fix and couldn't).
I have no control over what happens with the numbers. Our elected officials who have some modicum of control (The county board) have taken the position that we need to learn to live with the virus. Our school system is acting as if they will keep schools closed forever- and hang the children who are not able to engage in distance learning and are left in the dust.

It’s not a very very few. The people like YOU are the very very few. You’re not seeing all the bozos since you’re not even going out. They’re going to parties and weddings and hair salons and restaurants unmasked . Doing whatever they want.

DP. How are YOU seeing all the “bozos” if you’re holed up in your home?

Ummm it’s this thing called social media. People post to it like crazy revealing all the ways they DGAF about getting this pandemic under control. It’s the things my students tell me they did over the weekend and what my kids’ peers say in their google meets. Sleepovers! Parties! Youth baseball!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

This is 100% false. "all the reopen now people' are not monolithic. There may be a very very few that fit your caricature of them- but it is mostly people with elementary students or kids with learning difficulties who are really really struggling. I for one have yet to set foot inside a restaurant inside or outside. I haven't been in any one else's house or let anyone into mine (except for the ocassional plumber to fix something we tried on our own to fix and couldn't).
I have no control over what happens with the numbers. Our elected officials who have some modicum of control (The county board) have taken the position that we need to learn to live with the virus. Our school system is acting as if they will keep schools closed forever- and hang the children who are not able to engage in distance learning and are left in the dust.

It’s not a very very few. The people like YOU are the very very few. You’re not seeing all the bozos since you’re not even going out. They’re going to parties and weddings and hair salons and restaurants unmasked . Doing whatever they want.

DP. How are YOU seeing all the “bozos” if you’re holed up in your home?

Ummm it’s this thing called social media. People post to it like crazy revealing all the ways they DGAF about getting this pandemic under control. It’s the things my students tell me they did over the weekend and what my kids’ peers say in their google meets. Sleepovers! Parties! Youth baseball!

Right. Then why do you suppose PP DOESN’T have access to that same magical thing called social media you do? You disregard PP’s experience because she isn’t going out, while proclaiming yourself an expert of covid behavior because you have access to social media. Newsflash- you’re not any more observant or insightful than the next person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

This is 100% false. "all the reopen now people' are not monolithic. There may be a very very few that fit your caricature of them- but it is mostly people with elementary students or kids with learning difficulties who are really really struggling. I for one have yet to set foot inside a restaurant inside or outside. I haven't been in any one else's house or let anyone into mine (except for the ocassional plumber to fix something we tried on our own to fix and couldn't).
I have no control over what happens with the numbers. Our elected officials who have some modicum of control (The county board) have taken the position that we need to learn to live with the virus. Our school system is acting as if they will keep schools closed forever- and hang the children who are not able to engage in distance learning and are left in the dust.

It’s not a very very few. The people like YOU are the very very few. You’re not seeing all the bozos since you’re not even going out. They’re going to parties and weddings and hair salons and restaurants unmasked . Doing whatever they want.

DP. How are YOU seeing all the “bozos” if you’re holed up in your home?

Ummm it’s this thing called social media. People post to it like crazy revealing all the ways they DGAF about getting this pandemic under control. It’s the things my students tell me they did over the weekend and what my kids’ peers say in their google meets. Sleepovers! Parties! Youth baseball!

so lets break this down. Your students tell you that they had sleepovers, parties and youth baseball. You extrapolate that this means that they are going to parties, weddings, hair salons, and restaurants unmasked.

parties to a kid can mean so many different things. I'm sure my son said he went to a halloween party. a neighbor showed an outdoor movie for about 8 neighborhood kids. she set up blankets 10 feet apart for each family unit and everyone wore masks. My kid had a ball at the party. He has talked about it a lot. No COVID was spread.

youth baseball? that's pretty safe- outdoors, spread out, wearing masks.

sleepover? Not enough context to judge whether safe or not- I would tend to lean in the 'unsafe' direction, but there are lots of contexts where it could be safe- e.g. 1 family who have been bubbled together.

You can keep on pretending that those of us who want the schools open are virus pretenders and are driving spread b/c it makes you feel better about the education you are depriving children of. But its not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

Then what is driving up the numbers in the last two months? They are up about 50%. You don’t think it’s schools?

since we are on the Virginia schools forum, I assume we are talking Virginia numbers. I also am assuming you are talking state wide Virginia numbers. So on 9/2- the 7 day average of new cases was roughly 1000 a day. Today its roughly 1300 a day. So that's not a 50% increase- more like a 33% increase.

I was speaking about the country as a whole, not just Virginia.

What's driving that? the vast majority of outbreaks in the last 2 months have come from 'congregate setting'. That's pretty much been true throughout- although obviously long term care facilities were a major driver early on (notably today 'congregate setting' and 'long term care facilities' are tied at 490 outbreaks a piece in the state of Virginia.)
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-outbreaks/
A congregate setting is pretty much anyplace where people gather, a restaurant, a bar, a private home, etc.
k-12 schools and colleges are listed separately. They are a tiny fraction of outbreaks, and notably the outbreak is often 2-4 cases. The most cases associated with a school stateside since August is 19 cases.

Gov Northam was pretty clear at his last press briefing was that what was driving this was small family gatherings, where people take their masks off.

So I guess to sum up- not only do I not 'think' its schools- I know its not schools- because we have reported factual data from the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

NP. We are careful, we distance, wear masks, don’t eat out, etc. But it’s just not true that schools “can’t” open. All over the country, schools are open. We have relatives in multiple other states where kids go to school (public school). They wear masks and take some other precautions, but they are in school. These are not states with lower/better metrics than Arlington. Yet schools are not driving big outbreaks. So yes, it could be done, no Arlington doesn’t want to do it.

Then what is driving up the numbers in the last two months? They are up about 50%. You don’t think it’s schools?

since we are on the Virginia schools forum, I assume we are talking Virginia numbers. I also am assuming you are talking state wide Virginia numbers. So on 9/2- the 7 day average of new cases was roughly 1000 a day. Today its roughly 1300 a day. So that's not a 50% increase- more like a 33% increase.

I was speaking about the country as a whole, not just Virginia.

What's driving that? the vast majority of outbreaks in the last 2 months have come from 'congregate setting'. That's pretty much been true throughout- although obviously long term care facilities were a major driver early on (notably today 'congregate setting' and 'long term care facilities' are tied at 490 outbreaks a piece in the state of Virginia.)
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-outbreaks/
A congregate setting is pretty much anyplace where people gather, a restaurant, a bar, a private home, etc.
k-12 schools and colleges are listed separately. They are a tiny fraction of outbreaks, and notably the outbreak is often 2-4 cases. The most cases associated with a school stateside since August is 19 cases.

Gov Northam was pretty clear at his last press briefing was that what was driving this was small family gatherings, where people take their masks off.

So I guess to sum up- not only do I not 'think' its schools- I know its not schools- because we have reported factual data from the state.

I was referring to the country as a whole, not just Virginia. Virginia is doing relatively “well” compared to the rest of the country at only a 33% increase. My point is that kids went back to school all over the country. Maybe people assume the kids are in school, it’s “safe” and they start to gather. They figure kids are in school, they are alreay with these kids, we might as well hang out with those families, and here we are. Numbers going up quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. All the Reopen Now People have been living their lives like it's 2019 and then have a tantrum because number go up and we can't reopen schools.

Self awareness is a little lacking in this group.

This is 100% false. "all the reopen now people' are not monolithic. There may be a very very few that fit your caricature of them- but it is mostly people with elementary students or kids with learning difficulties who are really really struggling. I for one have yet to set foot inside a restaurant inside or outside. I haven't been in any one else's house or let anyone into mine (except for the ocassional plumber to fix something we tried on our own to fix and couldn't).
I have no control over what happens with the numbers. Our elected officials who have some modicum of control (The county board) have taken the position that we need to learn to live with the virus. Our school system is acting as if they will keep schools closed forever- and hang the children who are not able to engage in distance learning and are left in the dust.

It’s not a very very few. The people like YOU are the very very few. You’re not seeing all the bozos since you’re not even going out. They’re going to parties and weddings and hair salons and restaurants unmasked . Doing whatever they want.

DP. How are YOU seeing all the “bozos” if you’re holed up in your home?

Ummm it’s this thing called social media. People post to it like crazy revealing all the ways they DGAF about getting this pandemic under control. It’s the things my students tell me they did over the weekend and what my kids’ peers say in their google meets. Sleepovers! Parties! Youth baseball!

so lets break this down. Your students tell you that they had sleepovers, parties and youth baseball. You extrapolate that this means that they are going to parties, weddings, hair salons, and restaurants unmasked.

parties to a kid can mean so many different things. I'm sure my son said he went to a halloween party. a neighbor showed an outdoor movie for about 8 neighborhood kids. she set up blankets 10 feet apart for each family unit and everyone wore masks. My kid had a ball at the party. He has talked about it a lot. No COVID was spread.

youth baseball? that's pretty safe- outdoors, spread out, wearing masks.

sleepover? Not enough context to judge whether safe or not- I would tend to lean in the 'unsafe' direction, but there are lots of contexts where it could be safe- e.g. 1 family who have been bubbled together.

You can keep on pretending that those of us who want the schools open are virus pretenders and are driving spread b/c it makes you feel better about the education you are depriving children of. But its not true.

You won’t know if Covid was spread or not for at least another week. The overconfidence here is part of the issue.