Winter is going to be a covid sh*t show

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in GA and just found out our school is reopning for my daughter's grade a week before thanksgiving. then we have a week off during thanksgiving. Then she has 2 weeks in school and then a THREE WEEEK christmas, even though we started school 2 weeks later than normal and she basically is not getting any academic instruction on wednesdays at all (we call the "wellness wednesdays' but its really just hte day when all the teachers are in meetings all day).

So, not only is this year a joke in terms of schooling (she is repeating what she learned in 1st grade in our former school in the northeast) but the idea of bringing kid in, then sending them on multi week vacations, with travel and family events during flu season, and then having them all come back together....ugh. Plus every clas quarantines if a kid is sick, so basically we will be thrust back to digital. And my workplace just annoucned that we are all back full itme once school is back full time with no concessions so if my kid has to quarantine or is sick I dont know what I'll do.


I would much prefer that they just start AFTER the new year and AFTER every student is tested.

I’m in AZ are our district is opening late Oct/early Nov. I agree- I wish they’d just plan to open mid-late January. People are going to travel for Thanksgiving and the holidays, and have get togethers (even though it is not advised). Might as well just wait until all that is done, and then see how things look IMO. Plus the weather is in our favor that time of year (tons of time outside, no AC, can usually get away without heat too- chilly but very doable).

The holidays are really going to mess everything up.

[Anonymous]

The CDC just said it really isn't safe for kids to go trick or treating, outdoors.

How is it going to be safe for kids to be indoors in school all day on Nov 1st, when it isn't safe for them to go Trick or Treating on Oct 31st?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, winter is going to be a COVID sh*tshow.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/how-america-can-survive-the-winter/616401/
“A lot of what we’re expecting about what might happen this winter comes from previous pandemics,” says Stephen Kissler, a research fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health. Flu pandemics tend to travel in waves, and often the first fall and winter waves are the worst. There are striking similarities so far between the current pandemic and the 2009 influenza pandemic, Kissler told me. “There was patchy transmission in the spring, in New York City and some other places, but then there was a unified wave that hit the entire country. It started right around now, the beginning of September.”

So, now it’s the flu? Give me a break. The 2009 flu? The swine flu where we were all supposed to die?

Get a f***n epidemiology degree and then come back

That's worthless apparently. The epidemiology forecasts have been terrible and it turned out the models they were pushing are gross oversimplifications of hetreogenitity in mixing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CDC just said it really isn't safe for kids to go trick or treating, outdoors.

How is it going to be safe for kids to be indoors in school all day on Nov 1st, when it isn't safe for them to go Trick or Treating on Oct 31st?

The November start date is about elections, not public health.

[Anonymous]

It all makes perfect sense if you choose not to think too hard about it.

[Anonymous]

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Your friendly resident virus expert here.

Well, it's already a sh*tshow! And in many European countries it's already a sh*tshow! In all countries that did not implement rapid testing and contact tracing, as well as strict isolation and quarantine.

If only we could be Germany, Vietnam, New Zealand, South Korea or Japan, or many countries in Africa (who accepted drastic measures from the get-go because they'd gone through the wringer with Ebola).

And in the US, we have the cherry on top, which is the government hiding valuable scientific facts from its population! Like the CDC removing information about the aerosolization of SARS-Cov-2. I weep for my CDC scientist colleagues, who've been near-suicidal since February.

1. Please do not push for school re-openings. Push for very strict mask compliance policies, very rapid Covid reporting and isolation measures, upgraded air filtration systems, specific training of school staff, availability of PPE, sanitizer and disinfectant, and hybrid plans in overcrowded schools that cannot accommodate all its student body because of physical distancing requirements.

2. Use the utmost caution when going into work. The above applies.

3. Wear masks when you go out of your home, and put masks on your kids. Unless you're a cowboy alone on the range, put on your mask.

4. Family Thanksgiving and gatherings, non-essential travel, parties, mall shopping, playdates: please think twice about them. Seriously, you shouldn't be doing any of those things.

5. Remember to wash/disinfect your hands when handling things others have touched (playground equipment, those files your colleague just handed to you, the wine your friend just handed to you for a distanced chat on the porch). It's good practice to disinfect your hands right before you enter your home, so you don't touch all your stuff with potentially contaminated hands.

Resident Virus Expert,

Do you actually have any real insight to share? Or just repeating the obvious? Wash hands, wear masks, avoid gatherings, our gov't sucked at handling this.

What insight did you think I'd have? I'm trying to persuade people who don't do these things on a regular basis, because they've become complacent over the months.

Do you want the inside scoop on vaccines? I'd stay away from any adenovirus-based vaccines if I were you.

NP. Interesting. Why?

I'm interested too.

I believe this one, https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/fourth-large-scale-covid-19-vaccine-trial-begins-united-states, just entering phase 3 trials, is adenovirus-based and I was intrigued that it's only one dose, which logistically seems much easier to administer and no worries about a second dose follow-up.

The AstraZeneca/Oxford one is too, I think? Do you base staying away from it because of the two possibly-related adverse effects? Or is there something else?

Hello? Friendly resident virus? Curious why you recommended avoiding this type of vaccine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The CDC just said it really isn't safe for kids to go trick or treating, outdoors.

How is it going to be safe for kids to be indoors in school all day on Nov 1st, when it isn't safe for them to go Trick or Treating on Oct 31st?

The November start date is about elections, not public health.

+1

Yep November, schools back and vaccine = Trump and his lies........... = Trump's base lapping up every lie he says

[Anonymous]

Bumping this thread to give kudos to the OP - you were right.

And what happened to all the posters who said this was "fear-mongering" and "hysterical"? All those who for the last 9 months said Covid was no worse than the flu, that mitigation doesn't stop viral spread, that "natural herd immunity" would save us? Why did you disappear?

<sigh>

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Because anonymous message boards, social media, Twitter, and Facebook all allow rampant spread of disinformation with no repercussions and it's damaging our society and democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, winter is going to be a COVID sh*tshow.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/how-america-can-survive-the-winter/616401/
“A lot of what we’re expecting about what might happen this winter comes from previous pandemics,” says Stephen Kissler, a research fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health. Flu pandemics tend to travel in waves, and often the first fall and winter waves are the worst. There are striking similarities so far between the current pandemic and the 2009 influenza pandemic, Kissler told me. “There was patchy transmission in the spring, in New York City and some other places, but then there was a unified wave that hit the entire country. It started right around now, the beginning of September.”

So, now it’s the flu? Give me a break. The 2009 flu? The swine flu where we were all supposed to die?

Obama and Biden saved us in 2009!

[Anonymous]

I think most of us have known for many months that winter was going to be a cluster. And here we are. No surprises.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread to give kudos to the OP - you were right.

And what happened to all the posters who said this was "fear-mongering" and "hysterical"? All those who for the last 9 months said Covid was no worse than the flu, that mitigation doesn't stop viral spread, that "natural herd immunity" would save us? Why did you disappear?

<sigh>

A blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.

If you predict doom and gloom everytime, eventually you will be right.

[Anonymous]

I will say that I was surprised there was a second wave in August. But I am not surprised that we are having one in the winter. Hopefully it will start going down in January and the worst of the pandemic will be over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread to give kudos to the OP - you were right.

And what happened to all the posters who said this was "fear-mongering" and "hysterical"? All those who for the last 9 months said Covid was no worse than the flu, that mitigation doesn't stop viral spread, that "natural herd immunity" would save us? Why did you disappear?

<sigh>

A blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.

If you predict doom and gloom everytime, eventually you will be right.

np hee, I think predicting doom and gloom during a pandemic is fair. None of this seems surprising

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread to give kudos to the OP - you were right.

And what happened to all the posters who said this was "fear-mongering" and "hysterical"? All those who for the last 9 months said Covid was no worse than the flu, that mitigation doesn't stop viral spread, that "natural herd immunity" would save us? Why did you disappear?

<sigh>

A blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.

If you predict doom and gloom everytime, eventually you will be right.

Lol this was pretty obvious and not a blind squirrel scenario. But go ahead.