Winter is going to be a covid sh*t show

[Anonymous]

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I think more people will get flu shot. More people still distancing. Etc. the is will not be a sh%^t show. Maybe even a better than usual fu season for all the precautions a being taken.

I agree. Between the social distancing measures that many states still have in place, the at least partial herd immunity in hard-hit states, better and more successful treatment, and (for better or worse) the still fairly wide-spread school closures, I don't think fall/winter will be a "sh#t show." I definitely think there will be "new" pockets of transmission, ("hot pockets"?) particularly in the places that haven't really had many cases in the first place. But I don't see a massive second wave.

Same. I think flu season is going to be better than usual this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, winter is going to be a COVID sh*tshow.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/how-america-can-survive-the-winter/616401/
“A lot of what we’re expecting about what might happen this winter comes from previous pandemics,” says Stephen Kissler, a research fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health. Flu pandemics tend to travel in waves, and often the first fall and winter waves are the worst. There are striking similarities so far between the current pandemic and the 2009 influenza pandemic, Kissler told me. “There was patchy transmission in the spring, in New York City and some other places, but then there was a unified wave that hit the entire country. It started right around now, the beginning of September.”

So, now it’s the flu? Give me a break. The 2009 flu? The swine flu where we were all supposed to die?

THERE WAS A VACCINE for that. And i never heard we "were all supposed to die" from it. Not an appropriate comparison.

[Anonymous]

Who are all you jerk faces who just simply dismiss anything you don't want to hear? With no substantive response whatsoever? Must be nice to be such ignorant asshats.

Go away.

I mean that.

[Anonymous]

COVID is not going away (it even survived our Summer). We will either need to get a vaccine or develop herd immunity. States like NY, NJ, TX, FL, CA where they had the huge surge either in the beginning or during the Summer, their infections rates are going down compare to other states with more drastic measures.

Instead of posting number of positive cases (which can be misleading), post the number of hospitalization/ICU admissions. Did we post the fact that 50-60 million Americans had the Swine Flu in 2009-2010? How anxious would we be if every day on the news, we hear "another million cases of swine flu in the U.S."?

Yes, the death rates from COVID is also going down but it is most likely because the infected are younger - need to adjust the death for age so we can compare Apples to Apples.

Why is U.S. death rates so much higher than the rest of the world? We have the highest rate of obesity/metabolic syndrome in the world (thanks to the high fructose corn syrup that our govt keep subsidizing) - close to 70% if we count moderately obese & morbidly obese.

We have such extremes in this country - either wear mask and stay indoors 24/7 or no masks and life as normal. Why can we be more clear headed and come up with compromises but still allow the country to function?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are all you jerk faces who just simply dismiss anything you don't want to hear? With no substantive response whatsoever? Must be nice to be such ignorant asshats.

Go away.

I mean that.

I’m sure you do, but people who disagree with you aren’t going to just disappear because you want them to.

Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

Please stop with the Sweden posts , learn math. We are not Sweden.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

Sweden raises various questions. I think that projected infection rate is probably low. I think it's higher than that and they have achieved some kind of herd immunity. Beyond that, I think masks matter in enclosed spaces but not outside and people in Sweden have been doing a decent job at social distancing.

At the very least, people should be willing to look at how the virus has NOT surged again in hard hit cities and consider that it might be a relevant piece of information about how Covid-19 spreads. It's not enough to rule out a second wave and we need to be careful, but can we at least try to synthesize new information?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are all you jerk faces who just simply dismiss anything you don't want to hear? With no substantive response whatsoever? Must be nice to be such ignorant asshats.

Go away.

I mean that.

Don't post a dramatic thread title and fear-mongering articles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

Sweden raises various questions. I think that projected infection rate is probably low. I think it's higher than that and they have achieved some kind of herd immunity. Beyond that, I think masks matter in enclosed spaces but not outside and people in Sweden have been doing a decent job at social distancing.

At the very least, people should be willing to look at how the virus has NOT surged again in hard hit cities and consider that it might be a relevant piece of information about how Covid-19 spreads. It's not enough to rule out a second wave and we need to be careful, but can we at least try to synthesize new information?

here's an interesting article from Sweden's public health minister. Interesting commentary on the need for consistent and sustained measures, rather than making many changes over time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/swedens-covid-expert-warns-uk-opening-and-closing-schools-would-be-disastrous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

Sweden raises various questions. I think that projected infection rate is probably low. I think it's higher than that and they have achieved some kind of herd immunity. Beyond that, I think masks matter in enclosed spaces but not outside and people in Sweden have been doing a decent job at social distancing.

At the very least, people should be willing to look at how the virus has NOT surged again in hard hit cities and consider that it might be a relevant piece of information about how Covid-19 spreads. It's not enough to rule out a second wave and we need to be careful, but can we at least try to synthesize new information?

here's an interesting article from Sweden's public health minister. Interesting commentary on the need for consistent and sustained measures, rather than making many changes over time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/swedens-covid-expert-warns-uk-opening-and-closing-schools-would-be-disastrous

Thank you for kindly answering me instead of the rude person above. I am not saying we are Sweden, but they did something right and there is a lesson to be learned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, very curious to see if they see a resurgence in NYC, for example. If not, herd immunity might be closer than we think.

Are you nuts? Herd immunity in a population of 330 million with 'only' 7 million infected? Even Sweden hasn't and won't achieve immunity and they only have 10 million citizens.

And yet..

"According to the European Center for Disease Control, Sweden has reported 30.3 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants in the last 14 days, compared with 292.2 in Spain, 172.1 in France, 61.8 in the U.K. and 69.2 in Denmark, all of which imposed strict lockdowns early in the pandemic."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

I don't understand Sweden though. The R0 is under 1 so they still social distanced but no masks. And the projected infection rate is 12.8%. So does it mean masks don't matter? How did they not experience another wave?
https://covid19-projections.com/sweden

Sweden raises various questions. I think that projected infection rate is probably low. I think it's higher than that and they have achieved some kind of herd immunity. Beyond that, I think masks matter in enclosed spaces but not outside and people in Sweden have been doing a decent job at social distancing.

At the very least, people should be willing to look at how the virus has NOT surged again in hard hit cities and consider that it might be a relevant piece of information about how Covid-19 spreads. It's not enough to rule out a second wave and we need to be careful, but can we at least try to synthesize new information?

here's an interesting article from Sweden's public health minister. Interesting commentary on the need for consistent and sustained measures, rather than making many changes over time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/swedens-covid-expert-warns-uk-opening-and-closing-schools-would-be-disastrous

Thank you for kindly answering me instead of the rude person above. I am not saying we are Sweden, but they did something right and there is a lesson to be learned.

Absolutely. Yes the US is different from Sweden, but we shouldn’t just wave it away because of that, we can still learn from their experiences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are all you jerk faces who just simply dismiss anything you don't want to hear? With no substantive response whatsoever? Must be nice to be such ignorant asshats.

Go away.

I mean that.

I’m sure you do, but people who disagree with you aren’t going to just disappear because you want them to.

Deal with it.

You're cute. I don't care that people disagree with me. Not even a little do I care. However, I care that people dismiss with "beliefs" and "fake news" instead of a reasoned opinion based in fact. It's ignorance. And stupidity. Sounds like that may be you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are all you jerk faces who just simply dismiss anything you don't want to hear? With no substantive response whatsoever? Must be nice to be such ignorant asshats.

Go away.

I mean that.

Don't post a dramatic thread title and fear-mongering articles.

I didn't -that's number 1.

Number two, if you can't tell the difference between a title on an anonymous message board and a new "article", the problem is not the person who wrote the OP headline. Here's a hint: look in the mirror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:COVID is not going away (it even survived our Summer). We will either need to get a vaccine or develop herd immunity. States like NY, NJ, TX, FL, CA where they had the huge surge either in the beginning or during the Summer, their infections rates are going down compare to other states with more drastic measures.

Instead of posting number of positive cases (which can be misleading), post the number of hospitalization/ICU admissions. Did we post the fact that 50-60 million Americans had the Swine Flu in 2009-2010? How anxious would we be if every day on the news, we hear "another million cases of swine flu in the U.S."?

Yes, the death rates from COVID is also going down but it is most likely because the infected are younger - need to adjust the death for age so we can compare Apples to Apples.

Why is U.S. death rates so much higher than the rest of the world? We have the highest rate of obesity/metabolic syndrome in the world (thanks to the high fructose corn syrup that our govt keep subsidizing) - close to 70% if we count moderately obese & morbidly obese.

We have such extremes in this country - either wear mask and stay indoors 24/7 or no masks and life as normal. Why can we be more clear headed and come up with compromises but still allow the country to function?

According to WHO, Covid is 10x more deadly than swine flu was; that's why the coverage is different. And parents of young kids in 09-10 did follow the news of it closely and track where it was, and did avoid travel to areas with outbreaks.