Times Hgher Education Top 50 Universities in the World

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Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

Poor job at research does not mean great job at teaching undergraduate students just like bad job at research doesn't necessarily mean great job at teaching undergraduate students. Lot of research means more opportunities for undergrad to gain research experience and having professors with great reputations such as Nobel laureates. For example, Berkeley I think has the most number of Nobel laureates of all the universities which is impressive for a state university.

Harvard has more Noble laureates than Berkeley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

I think you are right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

I think you are right

+1 I think the relationship between research activity and strength of undergraduate education is one of those *just right* things. Too little and the profs aren't up to date, there aren't the dynamic research community events like conferences, guest lectures, etc., there's not a connected network to grad programs etc. But too much and the profs have all their time bought out, have stables of grad assistants on their projects etc. and leave undergrads on the periphery.

But research universities add a lot of value besides undergrad ed--they are knowledge/culture centers that create and support a lot of what we value in communities. So I think these rankings can have value, but not that much relevance to choosing a college for your undergrad education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

I think you are right

+1 I think the relationship between research activity and strength of undergraduate education is one of those *just right* things. Too little and the profs aren't up to date, there aren't the dynamic research community events like conferences, guest lectures, etc., there's not a connected network to grad programs etc. But too much and the profs have all their time bought out, have stables of grad assistants on their projects etc. and leave undergrads on the periphery.

But research universities add a lot of value besides undergrad ed--they are knowledge/culture centers that create and support a lot of what we value in communities. So I think these rankings can have value, but not that much relevance to choosing a college for your undergrad education.

Send your kids to GMU. I hear they don't do much research.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for making my point. Neither is a top 50 nationally nor globally. Full stop.

"Full stop." Very British. I am guessing you are the person who didn't like it when Oxford was questioned as #1 on the list.

No, that was me, a different PP who left this thread ages ago to the clamoring loons. Looks like it re-civilized slightly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

I think you are right

+1 I think the relationship between research activity and strength of undergraduate education is one of those *just right* things. Too little and the profs aren't up to date, there aren't the dynamic research community events like conferences, guest lectures, etc., there's not a connected network to grad programs etc. But too much and the profs have all their time bought out, have stables of grad assistants on their projects etc. and leave undergrads on the periphery.

But research universities add a lot of value besides undergrad ed--they are knowledge/culture centers that create and support a lot of what we value in communities. So I think these rankings can have value, but not that much relevance to choosing a college for your undergrad education.

Send your kids to GMU. I hear they don't do much research.

Well, technically GMU is a Research 1 University--rated very high research activity-- of which there are only 131 in the US. And it tilts heavy towards graduate programs. And it falls in the Times top 50 schools internationally of "young" universities which is fairly impressive since there are >400 considered. It's in the 250-300 range on the overall international rankings. So it tends to do "better" than you might expect in this international ranking system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me correct your lists:

Anonymous wrote:Here are other rankings:

QS Top Universities

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
2 Stanford University
3 Harvard University
4 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
5 University of Oxford
6 ETH Zurich - Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
7 University of Cambridge
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 UCL
152 University of Maryland
247 University of Virginia

Academic Ranking of World Universities

1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 University of Cambridge
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Princeton University
7 Columbia University
8 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
9 University of Oxford
10 University of Chicago
53 University of Maryland
151-200 University of Virginia

USNWR

1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 University of Oxford
6 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
7 Columbia
8 Princeton
9 University of Cambridge
10 University of Washington
51 University of Maryland
107 University of Virginia

What is the criteria? Why would UC Berkeley and UW rank so high, and UVA so low? That seems odd.

There is usually a significant component of these rankings that is based on the volume, quality, and influence of research and publications coming from these universities. UVA isn't as strong across the board as a school like Berkeley. This isn't really relevant to the quality of undergraduate education in my opinion.

I think you are right

+1 I think the relationship between research activity and strength of undergraduate education is one of those *just right* things. Too little and the profs aren't up to date, there aren't the dynamic research community events like conferences, guest lectures, etc., there's not a connected network to grad programs etc. But too much and the profs have all their time bought out, have stables of grad assistants on their projects etc. and leave undergrads on the periphery.

But research universities add a lot of value besides undergrad ed--they are knowledge/culture centers that create and support a lot of what we value in communities. So I think these rankings can have value, but not that much relevance to choosing a college for your undergrad education.

Schools like Berkeley tend to "leave undergrads on the periphery". They did a study there of where professors actually spend their time, and one interpretation of the results (undergrads get very little time) is that undergraduates are really there to support the graduate and research programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for making my point. Neither is a top 50 nationally nor globally. Full stop.

"Full stop." Very British. I am guessing you are the person who didn't like it when Oxford was questioned as #1 on the list.

No, that was me, a different PP who left this thread ages ago to the clamoring loons. Looks like it re-civilized slightly.

“Full stop” poster here. Born and bred American - East Coast, actually. But, I do appreciate the compliment that I sound “British” - I said that in my best accent, btw.

Cheerio - and I said this to sound British.