Recording all Zoom classes

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Anonymous wrote:They have to be recorded otherwise kids were ok miss and not catch up. It’s not like kids can stop by the classroom before or after school to discuss things.

Are you kidding me? If they are recorded, no one will show up to class. And yes, there is time to meet with teachers virtually on Wed and EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.

OP, I am completely against it. My kids will not actively participate in them and I will make sure their video is turned off. This is a privacy issue. It is also a recipe for disaster for bullies and others who want to turn in possible embarrassing moments from the teacher or a student responding into a memes.

If you kid misses a class, they miss the whole class. Just like a regular school day. Who do we talk to about recordings?

Yikes.
Your kid is going to have a TOUGH time in life.

Ask the pedo websites that have kids on school zoom calls rocking back and forth on their bed in nightgowns showing off their underpants if that is appropriate.

OP is right. I too am 100% against anything being recorded and able to access repeatedly by anyone. I won't allow my kids to participate in anything recorded.

Same here. No chance. I can not even believe this is even an option to record students in virtual class setting. Remember the teachers posting all of the inappropriate things they saw in the homes of these kids. Not to mention how they talk, other conversations heard in the back round. Just one embarrassing thing is going to be played over and over again by kids. They are going to record it on their phone, send it to someone who then sends it out to others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard in a meeting that teachers will have to announce to their classes on Zoom that they are about to record. If a child does not want to be in the recording, he/she will have to turn their video and mic off. Last spring there were always a few kids who wouldn't turn these on to begin with. I have a feeling that there will be many more people without cameras on once recording starts. Should be fun to see 5 kids out of a class of 26 for the sole purpose of recording the lessons.
Personally, I don't see why central office staff couldn't record lessons to be pushed out centrally for families who need it. All ES are finally using the same curriculums so that helps streamline the process. It's not the same as being live with your teacher but if you miss a day of school it's better than nothing. This way kids and teachers don't need to worry about their privacy.

This will be a HUGE liability issue. You can not just ask young kids to decide if and when they turn off their cameras. What if mom wants them turned off, but is on the other room on a conference call and the child chooses to keep turning the camera off and on while it is being recorded?

Are they asking parents to sign waivers?

Parents are going to be sent a consent form to be completed and returned/submitted by September 11th. In the mean time, you can always tell the teacher you don't want your children to be recorded so that he/she knows to turn the student's video and mic off. I have a feeling we will have many students in this situation.

So basically it will be non-interactive, no screens on, all mute, so a handful of students can watch it in the next 72 hours? MCPS once again always catering to a small minority instead of caring about the majority.

If you build it, they will come.

If you require attendance and do not record, they will come. And if they don't? They are marked absent. Just like normal life.

This record it and watch in 72 hours will be impossible for the teachers to keep up with. Kids will be asking questions about live class and another one will be asking about a class from 3 days ago and clueless as to what is going on in the current class. Are they allowing extra 72 hours for quizzes, tests, reports, homework, etc.. I mean if I am 72 hours behind on multiple classes how can I be doing the homework for them or preparing for a test?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. Kids who can’t make it need access to the class. -Parent of 3rd grader

Why can't they make it? Did they miss the bus

Are you dense? Do you not understand that all kids don’t have parents there to help them? You really think an ES kid can navigate this on his or her own? Or that MS and HS kids all have the executive functioning skills to do it? Do you not understand that there are people with family circumstances different from yours or mine?

You really need to give your ES kids more credit. We have 2 ES kids and yes, indeed, they "can navigate this on their own." We helped them the first day, then reinforced (twice) the second day. Yes, there are SN cases, but there are many more kids who CAN do more than their angry-about-DL helicopter parents give them credit for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I heard in a meeting that teachers will have to announce to their classes on Zoom that they are about to record. If a child does not want to be in the recording, he/she will have to turn their video and mic off. Last spring there were always a few kids who wouldn't turn these on to begin with. I have a feeling that there will be many more people without cameras on once recording starts. Should be fun to see 5 kids out of a class of 26 for the sole purpose of recording the lessons.
Personally, I don't see why central office staff couldn't record lessons to be pushed out centrally for families who need it. All ES are finally using the same curriculums so that helps streamline the process. It's not the same as being live with your teacher but if you miss a day of school it's better than nothing. This way kids and teachers don't need to worry about their privacy.

This will be a HUGE liability issue. You can not just ask young kids to decide if and when they turn off their cameras. What if mom wants them turned off, but is on the other room on a conference call and the child chooses to keep turning the camera off and on while it is being recorded?

Are they asking parents to sign waivers?

Parents are going to be sent a consent form to be completed and returned/submitted by September 11th. In the mean time, you can always tell the teacher you don't want your children to be recorded so that he/she knows to turn the student's video and mic off. I have a feeling we will have many students in this situation.

So basically it will be non-interactive, no screens on, all mute, so a handful of students can watch it in the next 72 hours? MCPS once again always catering to a small minority instead of caring about the majority.

If you build it, they will come.

If you require attendance and do not record, they will come. And if they don't? They are marked absent. Just like normal life.

This record it and watch in 72 hours will be impossible for the teachers to keep up with. Kids will be asking questions about live class and another one will be asking about a class from 3 days ago and clueless as to what is going on in the current class. Are they allowing extra 72 hours for quizzes, tests, reports, homework, etc.. I mean if I am 72 hours behind on multiple classes how can I be doing the homework for them or preparing for a test?

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. Kids who can’t make it need access to the class. -Parent of 3rd grader

Why can't they make it? Did they miss the bus

If you don't understand why but now, you never will.

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Anonymous wrote:If classes aren't recorded, what happens with children who are unable to attend a given class at a given time?

I assume it would be like missing a day of school- he/she would make up the work at a later time or just have to catch up the next day

Actually, the point was: what about children are often unable, or never able, to attend that class at that time?

They get free wifi and their own free chromebooks. There is no excuse except for sickness why a child can not make it to class.

PP, use your imagination a little bit more, please. There are many reasons why a child would not be able to make it to a class.

Not the PP, but please enlighten us? I just don't see how they can not.

I am waiting on this too. wifi and chromebooks are provided. Where are these kids that they can not log on

This board is sooo OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. Kids who can’t make it need access to the class. -Parent of 3rd grader

Why can't they make it? Did they miss the bus

Are you dense? Do you not understand that all kids don’t have parents there to help them? You really think an ES kid can navigate this on his or her own? Or that MS and HS kids all have the executive functioning skills to do it? Do you not understand that there are people with family circumstances different from yours or mine?

You really need to give your ES kids more credit. We have 2 ES kids and yes, indeed, they "can navigate this on their own." We helped them the first day, then reinforced (twice) the second day. Yes, there are SN cases, but there are many more kids who CAN do more than their angry-about-DL helicopter parents give them credit for.

I have a 3rd grader who I think is quite smart ( not genius) and has no SN and she couldnt navigate it all herself in the Spring. I didnt have to be right in the room but I had to help her get logged in every day and help her switch between platforms, and try to get her to pay attention instead of staring out the window..........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they actually using Zoom? You know you can just record the active speaker, right? It's not like the full gallery view of all the students would need to get recorded.

The children’s voices can still be heard. The whole point of Zoom was to have interactive classes.

[Anonymous]

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So basically it will be non-interactive, no screens on, all mute, so a handful of students can watch it in the next 72 hours? MCPS once again always catering to a small minority instead of caring about the majority.

If you build it, they will come.

If you require attendance and do not record, they will come. And if they don't? They are marked absent. Just like normal life.

This record it and watch in 72 hours will be impossible for the teachers to keep up with. Kids will be asking questions about live class and another one will be asking about a class from 3 days ago and clueless as to what is going on in the current class. Are they allowing extra 72 hours for quizzes, tests, reports, homework, etc.. I mean if I am 72 hours behind on multiple classes how can I be doing the homework for them or preparing for a test?

School hasn't even started yet, and DCUM has already resumed the "do what works for my kid, and too bad for any other kid it doesn't work for!" stuff.

[Anonymous]

I see both sides as a teacher and a parent. The problem I have with recording is that it is going to make students so much less likely to take an academic risk if they know it is recorded and everyone can hear them make a mistake for the next three days over and over again. There needs to be a classroom community and kids must feel safe to learn. Relationships are paramount especially in this virtual environment. This may be the only social outlet for many kids who are already feeling isolated. Recording will ensure that I teach to a bunch of muted black screens and my children learn in the same way. It cannot work for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. Kids who can’t make it need access to the class. -Parent of 3rd grader

Why can't they make it? Did they miss the bus

Are you dense? Do you not understand that all kids don’t have parents there to help them? You really think an ES kid can navigate this on his or her own? Or that MS and HS kids all have the executive functioning skills to do it? Do you not understand that there are people with family circumstances different from yours or mine?

You really need to give your ES kids more credit. We have 2 ES kids and yes, indeed, they "can navigate this on their own." We helped them the first day, then reinforced (twice) the second day. Yes, there are SN cases, but there are many more kids who CAN do more than their angry-about-DL helicopter parents give them credit for.

Well I have a kindergartener and first grader and they can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t bother me at all. Kids who can’t make it need access to the class. -Parent of 3rd grader

Why can't they make it? Did they miss the bus

Are you dense? Do you not understand that all kids don’t have parents there to help them? You really think an ES kid can navigate this on his or her own? Or that MS and HS kids all have the executive functioning skills to do it? Do you not understand that there are people with family circumstances different from yours or mine?

You really need to give your ES kids more credit. We have 2 ES kids and yes, indeed, they "can navigate this on their own." We helped them the first day, then reinforced (twice) the second day. Yes, there are SN cases, but there are many more kids who CAN do more than their angry-about-DL helicopter parents give them credit for.

Right, because this is all about helicopters. You are there to oversee your kids even if they can log in on their own. I am too. But again, not everyone is. This is not just about SN kids. Some parents are going to need to provide support to their kids at other times. That you can’t see your privilege says it all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have to be recorded otherwise kids were ok miss and not catch up. It’s not like kids can stop by the classroom before or after school to discuss things.

Are you kidding me? If they are recorded, no one will show up to class. And yes, there is time to meet with teachers virtually on Wed and EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.

OP, I am completely against it. My kids will not actively participate in them and I will make sure their video is turned off. This is a privacy issue. It is also a recipe for disaster for bullies and others who want to turn in possible embarrassing moments from the teacher or a student responding into a memes.

If you kid misses a class, they miss the whole class. Just like a regular school day. Who do we talk to about recordings?

Yikes.
Your kid is going to have a TOUGH time in life.

Ask the pedo websites that have kids on school zoom calls rocking back and forth on their bed in nightgowns showing off their underpants if that is appropriate.

OP is right. I too am 100% against anything being recorded and able to access repeatedly by anyone. I won't allow my kids to participate in anything recorded.

Same here. No chance. I can not even believe this is even an option to record students in virtual class setting. Remember the teachers posting all of the inappropriate things they saw in the homes of these kids. Not to mention how they talk, other conversations heard in the back round. Just one embarrassing thing is going to be played over and over again by kids. They are going to record it on their phone, send it to someone who then sends it out to others.

Wouldn’t these misbehaving students be able to record live Zoom anyway and share it? In which case why does it matter that MCPS is recording it too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have to be recorded otherwise kids were ok miss and not catch up. It’s not like kids can stop by the classroom before or after school to discuss things.

Are you kidding me? If they are recorded, no one will show up to class. And yes, there is time to meet with teachers virtually on Wed and EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.

OP, I am completely against it. My kids will not actively participate in them and I will make sure their video is turned off. This is a privacy issue. It is also a recipe for disaster for bullies and others who want to turn in possible embarrassing moments from the teacher or a student responding into a memes.

If you kid misses a class, they miss the whole class. Just like a regular school day. Who do we talk to about recordings?

Yikes.
Your kid is going to have a TOUGH time in life.

Ask the pedo websites that have kids on school zoom calls rocking back and forth on their bed in nightgowns showing off their underpants if that is appropriate.

OP is right. I too am 100% against anything being recorded and able to access repeatedly by anyone. I won't allow my kids to participate in anything recorded.

Same here. No chance. I can not even believe this is even an option to record students in virtual class setting. Remember the teachers posting all of the inappropriate things they saw in the homes of these kids. Not to mention how they talk, other conversations heard in the back round. Just one embarrassing thing is going to be played over and over again by kids. They are going to record it on their phone, send it to someone who then sends it out to others.

Wouldn’t these misbehaving students be able to record live Zoom anyway and share it? In which case why does it matter that MCPS is recording it too?

If they don’t record it, the kids will be in class. Video screens on. No one will be holding up a phone waiting for a mistake to happen. The kids will sign agreements and get bumped from class if using another electronic. Only MCPS log ons will have access. If anyone else logs in, the teacher boots them out. If the class is highly interactive and teacher is calling names, the kids won’t have time.

If you record it and allow access for 72 hours. Kids can sit there, not pay attention, rewind and rewatch funny things. Pull their phones out and record it. Send it to someone else. It anonymously gets put out in social media. They can also send any portion of the class they want to anyone. Parents can sit down and micromanage and forward blips of things they don’t like being discussed to principals and complain.

I mean what about 5th grade and up health classes? We are live zooming them and recording them? You want your kid’s sex-ed class and their embarrassing question out there for 72 hours? Parents logging in and complaining about what is taught. Another sibling or friend going into a mcps account under someone else’s name at 11pm and recording something. Then getting that child in trouble.

There is absolutely no reason to record. Not only is it unsafe, a liability, and will make kids silent, but it will slow down “live” curriculum, homework grading, and keeping the kids caught up. The bloated upper administration in the county (not the teachers) can put together links for kids that miss class. Even that is better than if we were in school in person. Absent is absent. Some kids get info to make up. Most don’t. Internet issues? It happens. You google what class was about and learn some. I mean these kids have the ENTIRE internet at their disposal. The only way kids will survive this is if class is live, interactive, and attendance taken. Accountability.

[Anonymous]

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If they don’t record it, the kids will be in class. Video screens on. No one will be holding up a phone waiting for a mistake to happen. The kids will sign agreements and get bumped from class if using another electronic. Only MCPS log ons will have access. If anyone else logs in, the teacher boots them out. If the class is highly interactive and teacher is calling names, the kids won’t have time.

Snort.