Nice White Parents

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Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

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I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

+1 it was sickening to hear that 11 yo talk about "The Book of Statuses." Just gross.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

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I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

When principals are practically begging white parents to send their children, how can the students not get that message?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the DC suburbs, the schools with more poors get smaller classrooms, extra resources, and more attention on a daily basis. Yet somehow the white parents get slandered and accused of opportunity hoarding when their kids (and Asian kids, who are now “white” whether their parents like it or not) perform better in school. Is it really so unreasonable to want your kids to attend schools near their homes rather than be parceled out across the county like they are some sort of precious resource which other schools cannot be denied?

Hilarious. As if every rich parent didn’t pick out their house according to the school.

Specific schools? Not necessarily. Not that much hangs in the balance when you can easily afford good private schools and tutors.

Why would private school parents care where their kids are zoned then? Keep up

Glad you got half the point, skippy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it wrong for parents to prioritize their own children?

My question is, why do these schools have such low test scores? It's established fact that cities often spend more (often much more) per student than suburbs do. Why does that extra money do nothing to raise test scores?!

I don't know.

And why are parents relying solely on public education to teach their children, while at the same time lamenting about how terrible it is? They were talking about second and third graders who couldn't read. You can't show your 9 year old how to read? You don't know ANYONE who can?
It seems like people are sacrificing their children just to prove a point about how terrible the system is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

Ok. But isn't this exactly what we are doing on this thread?
We kind of buy into the premise that only white parents are better, can fix problems, and only what white kids and parents want matters. The problem is that THESE parents wanted the wrong things. If the parents in this story had only wanted equality instead of French-immersion...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

Ok. But isn't this exactly what we are doing on this thread?
We kind of buy into the premise that only white parents are better, can fix problems, and only what white kids and parents want matters. The problem is that THESE parents wanted the wrong things. If the parents in this story had only wanted equality instead of French-immersion...

DCUMers either want gifted programs or an expensive IEP/accommodation. Not a lot in between.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone written Nice Asian Parents yet? Or Competitive Indian Parents? Or Demanding Russian Parents? Or are they exempt from the consequences of their parenting, which is exactly the same as UMC white people?

1) it’s a podcast not a book or article
2) if you’d listened to it you’d understand why this is an asinine question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

When principals are practically begging white parents to send their children, how can the students not get that message?

I didn't hear the principal begging for white students. She wanted students to keep the school open. Any students would do. And even if she did beg the parents to send the children she never said we need your white kids because this school isn't good enough without them. That 11 year old didn't get his attitude from one open house. That is learned behavior from being taught that he and other white families are bettering the school because they are better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

Ok. But isn't this exactly what we are doing on this thread?
We kind of buy into the premise that only white parents are better, can fix problems, and only what white kids and parents want matters. The problem is that THESE parents wanted the wrong things. If the parents in this story had only wanted equality instead of French-immersion...

Educational policy in the coming years will be less about white saviourism and more about trying to level the playing field by systematically depriving white and Asian students of whatever advantages they may currently enjoy in the public schools by slashing resources and programs for the majority white and Asian schools to a point where those parents would be just as happy to be reassigned to a majority ESOL/FARMS school. It is a not very subtle attempt to narrow the gap by bringing down the top.

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on your perspective), many of those parents will shift their kids to privates, try to break away from existing school systems, replace the School Boards, and of all else fails relocate to less “progressive” systems. Altruism only goes so far when it comes to parents and their children’s education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

Ok. But isn't this exactly what we are doing on this thread?
We kind of buy into the premise that only white parents are better, can fix problems, and only what white kids and parents want matters. The problem is that THESE parents wanted the wrong things. If the parents in this story had only wanted equality instead of French-immersion...

Yes, now whites are supposed to be saviors but are also supposed to feel guilty about it and gratefully be criticized for it.

It's nonsensical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So far white parents are guilty of considering their own children's needs first.

I do think the fundraising situation with the French immersion program was shady.

This maybe the dumbest comment ever. Who doesn’t think of their child first...in everything?? I don’t know of a parent who doesn’t have their child’s well being at the top of mind....black, white, red, yellow, green....ya know...everything doesn’t have to be about race.

Yeah, there’s another thread right now where people are saying without shame that if their son sexually assaulted a girl, they’d get a lawyer stat and try to ruin the girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

Ok. But isn't this exactly what we are doing on this thread?
We kind of buy into the premise that only white parents are better, can fix problems, and only what white kids and parents want matters. The problem is that THESE parents wanted the wrong things. If the parents in this story had only wanted equality instead of French-immersion...

Educational policy in the coming years will be less about white saviourism and more about trying to level the playing field by systematically depriving white and Asian students of whatever advantages they may currently enjoy in the public schools by slashing resources and programs for the majority white and Asian schools to a point where those parents would be just as happy to be reassigned to a majority ESOL/FARMS school. It is a not very subtle attempt to narrow the gap by bringing down the top.

Unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on your perspective), many of those parents will shift their kids to privates, try to break away from existing school systems, replace the School Boards, and of all else fails relocate to less “progressive” systems. Altruism only goes so far when it comes to parents and their children’s education.

So, literally, they want the schools to be equally good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.”

+1
I liked both episodes but the message did kind of make me wonder “so what are you saying SHOULD happen?” In one she rails against parents that decided not to send their kids to a certain public school after lobbying for its location (yeah, I get that). In the other she is focusing on shaming parents that opted into that public school but are spending time and money trying to create a program They want there (that would be open to any kids from the school).

Just to add though that the program — French immersion — was not the choice of the original community. They were never engaged in the decision. Had they had a voice they may have wanted Spanish or Arabic based on their population.

I’ll add that both the parents and perhaps most shockingly the kids had a sense of white saviorism — the school was only good when they got there.

That's what stood out to me. Kids are being taught this. They are being taught at home that they are better and only what they want -in this case French Immersion- matters.

When principals are practically begging white parents to send their children, how can the students not get that message?

I didn't hear the principal begging for white students. She wanted students to keep the school open. Any students would do. And even if she did beg the parents to send the children she never said we need your white kids because this school isn't good enough without them. That 11 year old didn't get his attitude from one open house. That is learned behavior from being taught that he and other white families are bettering the school because they are better.

The series literally opened with Chana Joffe Walt talking about school tours she was being given with other white parents where she "never felt her power as a consumer" so acutely.
They are definitely catering to white parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is a difference between wanting to give your kids a great life and prioritizing them over all others. You can both want your kids to be happy and thriving but understand that “wanting the best for my kid” often comes at the expense of other kids. I want my kids- and all the kids- to be happy, thriving individuals. So no.. I don’t “prioritize” my kids if I know it will detrimentally impact others. My kids can have something less shiny, less perfect... if it means that more kids will have something similar.

Yes, this. I am not so selfish that I need to make sure my middle-class white kids get the absolute best of everything at other kids' expense. They already have a ton of advantages. If it enables schools to be more effective in improving the life trajectories of kids of color, poor kids, other kids who really need it, then I'm totally fine with my kids having longer bus rides or not getting as focused attention from the best teachers or whatever the fear is. I love my kids, but I don't believe they deserve anything more than any other kids (and if we can't get all the kids the very best education, then there are probably a lot of other kids who should be in line before mine to be prioritized.)

This should be a basic, common sense position to take for anyone who believes in common decency and a just society, but somehow it isn't? I'm really troubled and disturbed by the way we normalize the idea that it's okay to prioritize our own kids at the expense of everyone else's kids. It seems pretty darn immoral to me.

I think you’re being a hypocrite.

If you: take vacations, buy books and educational toys, buy organic healthy food, cook healthy dinners every night, read to your kids when young, send them to summer camps, teach them skills like swimming, skiing, tennis, golf, etc. and saving for college, you’re giving them advantages other kids don’t have.

WHAT? Do you have a reading comprehension problem. HOw is the poster being a hypocrite? They are literally saying their kids do not deserve anything more than other kids, and more disadvantaged kids should have priority for many things! Are they then also supposed to also not buy books, feed their kids healthy food or send them to summer camp? Why? I think you are a troll....

DP. I thought she sounded hypocritical too.

All of you so-called liberals are finally starting to have th curtian pulled back on you and dare care an authentic one a hypocrite. Please? I can't believe how many of you are just seeing the completey hypocricy of liberal politics in this country.

She's not authentic anything.