GOP groups taking advantage of us disgruntled parents: “Public School Exit”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have a federal Government controlled by Republicans that has completely bungled the response to Covid-19, damaging public school systems in the process. And then these same tools want to turn that to their advantage by indulging in their longstanding wet dream of defending public education and handing out vouchers.

Are you always played that easily?

Both sides are trying to play it to their advantage at the expense of the general public. Let’s not pretend this is one sided.

Seriously.

As if defunding the police isn't the left's wet dream. Ha!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This frightens me. This right-wing group trying to encourage mass exits from our public schools.

If public schools cannot educate the children, why parents pay tax to support public schools?

We used to have a tradition in this country that all children deserved a good education and things worked OK for decades. In 1980, my district in Pennsylvania saw the school board taken over by a well-funded group of wealthy homeowners without kids in the schools. They did a pretty tidy job of dismantling programs, shrinking the school budget and openly stating that the schools were a failed burden on taxpayers rather than the engine that drew many of us to move into that district.

That's what happens when money gets people put in charge of public institutions with the specific intention of dismantling them. It works and we see it today with current administration. People have no idea how much money is behind these movements.

The problem is that schools are no longer just schools: they are bloated administrative behemoths that are not only supposed to teach, but feed, transport, and , yes, care for children for parents who cannot.

In a very real sense, schools ARE a failed burden on taxpayers. And until we stop thinking that we can save every.single.person. who makes s#!tty life choices, we will continue to see bloated systems and programs that are failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a federal Government controlled by Republicans that has completely bungled the response to Covid-19, damaging public school systems in the process. And then these same tools want to turn that to their advantage by indulging in their longstanding wet dream of defending public education and handing out vouchers.

Are you always played that easily?

Both sides are trying to play it to their advantage at the expense of the general public. Let’s not pretend this is one sided.

It’s one-sided. Republicans are trying to destroy public schools.

Why? Because a big share of local tax dollars go to schools and because Republicans billionaires want to destroy government to cut taxes on themselves.
That’s the reason why GOP donors want it.

Evangelicals want public schools destroyed because they don’t want their kids exposed to truthful ideas and then become liberals.

Betsy DeVos is great for the GOP because she’s both: a billionaire evangelical who wants to destroy public schools for both reasons.

I've gotten a decent education. Engineering degree and also a Masters. Hasn't made me a "liberal" and hasn't made me a "conservative". Its made me a free thinker, which in fact is what BOTH parties fear. A truly education person scrutinizes everything and can't be spoon-fed; they look for a source's motivation and not just results. Republicans want to destroy public schools, Democrats want public schools that dont really do anything. Seems like 2 sides of the same coin t me.

Very much this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some tax deductions for parents having to pay for education at home whether it's tutors, supplies or internet etc.

No.

You forget that the government currently still takes the money of a large sector of the population that has no children. Why on earth should you get tax credits, while someone else is footing a bill for something you aren't using?

This is insanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I hate this. I am part of the problem, having just enrolled my child in private school.

I know why public schools are important and why having rich high-achieving kids in public school is important. We had bent over backward to stay at our public school despite some minor disadvantages to our kid. But we have just hit our limit. I still think our school is great -- but they are limited by FCPS, and FCPS has screwed up repeatedly. They have really played into the GOP talking points that public services are bad.

My spouse thinks we'll return to public school in 2021. I think we're probably in private until junior high.

I still don't support vouchers, as a policy matter.

God forbid those less fortunate be able to make the choice you did

I'm the PP you're responding to. The school provides need-based financial aid. If you want to talk about need-based vouchers, that's interesting and maybe a good idea. But vouchers tend to be pushed by the wealthy, who are in private school regardless of what it costs and just want to not pay for community schools. Somebody who does not qualify for financial aid should not be getting vouchers.

The only activists I have seen are working class, like the bw who went to a Warren event to talk to her about vouchers and choice. She told Warren that she wanted a choice, just like Warren had for her own children.


Democraic party politicians are wrong on this issue. They send their kids to privates and top publics, and tell their voters how very important it is that their children don't have options.

limousine liberals are still a thing. You can argue about the value of public education and how important it is that kids stay in public all you want, but it rings hollow when you buy houses specifically to be in boundary for certain schools

And this site is full of them. Regularly disparaging most of the public schools and talking about how only a few are acceptable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not heard of that, but to be honest we are new to the school system and NOW I understand the push for vouchers. If public school can’t educate our kids, let the private schools do it. Let the money follow the student.

Right into the pockets of the GOP. And don't think for a minute that the GED-mills they create to capture your voucher money will do a better job than public (take a peak at the worst charter school scandals out there). Also, don't think all those kids with the vouchers will be going to "The Big 5" - they are full and don't need your voucher.

"I know you're unhappy in this abusive relationship but nobody else wants you so you're stuck with me!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't vouchers a way to dumb down education? The idea is by eliminating the ability to think critically they can increase GOP membership.

Withhold choice from the poor and force them to stay in stellar systems like Baltimore. Democrats are always so interested in the common good.

And what school do you think those tens of thousands of kids will get to go to with their tiny voucher? And when they all end up in the same school building again, but with profits going to some faux education company that replaced teachers with computers anyway, do you think outcomes will be different?

I'm familiar with, and have been involved in several co-ops, some of which are run by African American families on a shoe string budget. Well-done programs with curriculum and parent/student buy-in. Shoe-string budget. I can only imagine how well they could do with $15K per child to boost their efforts.

But I know the Dems are absolutely, 100% COMMITTED to making black escape from failing public schools difficult or impossible.

[Anonymous]

It seems to me that this Republican group is getting just what it wants....and with very little effort or money being spent.... thousands & thousands of families will leave public schools this year, and some will never return. The families who leave will not just be frustrated Christian families, but frustrated liberal families who also value the ‘old way” of education such as grammar, spelling, social studies, desk rows, teacher independence.

I don’t see schools abandoning their new way of doing things. In fact, I think it will spread further. I can SEE why families are unhappy and want to leave. But, I’m not a fool. Most Americans don’t have much of an education themselves. Not everyone is equipped to teach their children or to develop a curriculum. Many homeschoolers are unwilling to expose their children to new ideas. They like to control the content their kids see. At the end of the day, this will lead to the de-education of American children.

I think we need to invest in public schools, and fight to make them rigorous. (Instead of marking them “easier” like we’ve been doing)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this Republican group is getting just what it wants....and with very little effort or money being spent.... thousands & thousands of families will leave public schools this year, and some will never return. The families who leave will not just be frustrated Christian families, but frustrated liberal families who also value the ‘old way” of education such as grammar, spelling, social studies, desk rows, teacher independence.

I don’t see schools abandoning their new way of doing things. In fact, I think it will spread further. I can SEE why families are unhappy and want to leave. But, I’m not a fool. Most Americans don’t have much of an education themselves. Not everyone is equipped to teach their children or to develop a curriculum. Many homeschoolers are unwilling to expose their children to new ideas. They like to control the content their kids see. At the end of the day, this will lead to the de-education of American children.

I think we need to invest in public schools, and fight to make them rigorous. (Instead of marking them “easier” like we’ve been doing)

Fighting for rigor is out of fashion in public school boards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this Republican group is getting just what it wants....and with very little effort or money being spent.... thousands & thousands of families will leave public schools this year, and some will never return. The families who leave will not just be frustrated Christian families, but frustrated liberal families who also value the ‘old way” of education such as grammar, spelling, social studies, desk rows, teacher independence.

I don’t see schools abandoning their new way of doing things. In fact, I think it will spread further. I can SEE why families are unhappy and want to leave. But, I’m not a fool. Most Americans don’t have much of an education themselves. Not everyone is equipped to teach their children or to develop a curriculum. Many homeschoolers are unwilling to expose their children to new ideas. They like to control the content their kids see. At the end of the day, this will lead to the de-education of American children.

I think we need to invest in public schools, and fight to make them rigorous. (Instead of marking them “easier” like we’ve been doing)

Why invest more in public schools? School boards and Administration cannot lead and majority of teachers don’t want to teach, especially since they can get paid more teaching small pod. Less risk for the teacher and potentially a better education for students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some tax deductions for parents having to pay for education at home whether it's tutors, supplies or internet etc.

No.

You forget that the government currently still takes the money of a large sector of the population that has no children. Why on earth should you get tax credits, while someone else is footing a bill for something you aren't using?
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This is insanity.

I didn’t mind paying for schools before I had children and I won’t mind when they are grown and gone.

I would rather that money go to individual parents to educate as they see fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This frightens me. This right-wing group trying to encourage mass exits from our public schools.

If public schools cannot educate the children, why parents pay tax to support public schools?

We used to have a tradition in this country that all children deserved a good education and things worked OK for decades. In 1980, my district in Pennsylvania saw the school board taken over by a well-funded group of wealthy homeowners without kids in the schools. They did a pretty tidy job of dismantling programs, shrinking the school budget and openly stating that the schools were a failed burden on taxpayers rather than the engine that drew many of us to move into that district.

That's what happens when money gets people put in charge of public institutions with the specific intention of dismantling them. It works and we see it today with current administration. People have no idea how much money is behind these movements.

The problem is that schools are no longer just schools: they are bloated administrative behemoths that are not only supposed to teach, but feed, transport, and , yes, care for children for parents who cannot.

In a very real sense, schools ARE a failed burden on taxpayers. And until we stop thinking that we can save every.single.person. who makes s#!tty life choices, we will continue to see bloated systems and programs that are failures.

You know this is the tripe that billionaires feed you so you’ll vote for imploding our government to give tax cuts to billionaires, right?

Don’t be played by the very wealthy. It’s not good for you or your kids.

[Anonymous]

Billionaires and the upper middle class get to direct their children's education.

But poor and working class folk, many of them black have to stay in underperforming schools because.... well, just 'cause!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with leaving a government run system that is failing to provide the best for your child?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Yeah, that’s not even remotely the same thing.

+1. How absurd. Such limited thinkers these people are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with leaving a government run system that is failing to provide the best for your child?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Yeah, that’s not even remotely the same thing.

It's the same mentality.

NP. NO, IT IS NOT!!!

It's the "same mentality" in the same way that slackjacked Right-Wing boobs posted memes about how people who agreed to wear masks before they were mandated "would have voluntarily climbed into the boxcars." Asinine.