Is BIPOC the new term to use? What happened to just POC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But my question is larger — what defines a POC vs a white person? I used myself as an example of someone who I don’t think is clearly in either category.

Then expand the number of categories.

To what, then? You still haven’t answered my question as to who is a POC and who is white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m white passing and middle eastern (honestly many many people from Turkey, Lebanon etc are white passing) never knew if that makes me POC or white. So I appreciate BIPOC, it’s clearer. Placing everyone in either White or POC category is weird.

How is it clearer to you? Do you consider yourself BIPOC or white?

This is damn confusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

But my question is larger — what defines a POC vs a white person? I used myself as an example of someone who I don’t think is clearly in either category.

You're hwhite PP. You know very well how the world perceives you. My background is also pretty mixed. I'm 40 something percent caucasian according to my DNA. But my skin is brown, my nose is wide, my lips are full, my hair is kinky, and the world perceives me as a black woman. I'm black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

But my question is larger — what defines a POC vs a white person? I used myself as an example of someone who I don’t think is clearly in either category.

You're hwhite PP. You know very well how the world perceives you. My background is also pretty mixed. I'm 40 something percent caucasian according to my DNA. But my skin is brown, my nose is wide, my lips are full, my hair is kinky, and the world perceives me as a black woman. I'm black.

So we are what people perceive us to be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

[Anonymous]

It's confusing because none of this is actually real. Humans are as genetically similar as a single breed of dogs! Race is something white people created in order to distinguish who wiuld be the winners and lovers of society. That's why the definition shifts over time, and now Irish people, Italian people, and Jewish people are largely considered white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Only whites are privileged enough to have one term for themselves.

What happened to the Chicanos?

[Anonymous]

what does BIPOC mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's confusing because none of this is actually real. Humans are as genetically similar as a single breed of dogs! Race is something white people created in order to distinguish who wiuld be the winners and lovers of society. That's why the definition shifts over time, and now Irish people, Italian people, and Jewish people are largely considered white.

*winners and losers

My phone seems to dislike the word losers and wants to replace it with lovers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the last 2 weeks, since the BLM protests have started. I’ve seen everyone start to use BIPOC (eg “support BIPOC businesses”, “discrimination against BIPOC”). I looked it up and it means Black Indigenous People of Color.

So does BIPOC not include LatinX, Middle Eastern, and Asian? Is it replacing POC as a way to say those other groups are less discriminated against? Where did the word come from?

Wrong,
Black , Indigenous, People, of Color.
Added the commas, fixed it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

So she’s Native American, but I’m white?

[Anonymous]

My husband is a blonde haired blue eyed Jew.

You’d think he was a WASP, but he’s 75% Ashkenazi.

Is he white because people perceive him that way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband is a blonde haired blue eyed Jew.

You’d think he was a WASP, but he’s 75% Ashkenazi.

Is he white because people perceive him that way?

Yes, of course racially he is white.

-Another white mostly Ashkenazi Jew