If schools have to continue online, shouldn’t teachers worry about their jobs?

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Anonymous wrote:No. Teachers should not be worried. There was a teacher shortage before this began and so many parents in this area are willing to pay $100/hr or more for one on one tutoring. If cuts happen these teachers will probably be hired by the same parents complaining about distance learning and will make more money than they did with their salary.

That was when there was generally a tight labor market. Are you familiar with the unemployment rate?[/quote

Any one off the street can't just go apply for a teaching job. You have to have the right credentials? Haven't taught in 10 years and let your license lapse? No job for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

Ok fine. If that happens? How many math teachers does a school really need? One per grade to put together the content. The online programs like Khan Academy do everything else including teaching and grading. This goes for the programs that my kids’ science and Spanish teachers are using as well.

If school continues online for the next however many years, won’t there be a massive lay off of teachers? Why are they not more worried about their jobs?

Nope. Not worried. These online platforms might have good explanations of how to do a problem or a good lecture. However, they don't give feedback on writing or process. They don't guide students through a project or higher order thinking skills.

It takes me a lot longer now to give feedback. Instead of just leaning over their shoulder and pointing things out, I actually have to type up a response or get them on the video chat to explain.

Hah neither do teachers most of the time!

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

HAHAHAHA. You are so out of touch with what’s actually happening. Does it make you feel better to insult people you don’t even know?

So address the fact that many are doing no actual teaching. No teaching videos, no live zoom instruction. Just put up assignments, that’s it.

If kids don’t automatically know what to do (and how would they if it’s new content?) parents have to take time out of their work day to show them.

What will they do when they encounter something new in their lives, and you aren't around, and a teacher hasn't done a live or pre-recorded lesson for them? What do you do when you don't know or can't remember something? Google it. Point them to Khan Academy or YouTube or dozens of other sites. Get them workbooks or textbooks. Let them try and figure it out first, and help them only if they get stuck. Direct instruction isn't even needed in most cases, especially if classmates can work together to figure things out.

Yeah, I'm definitely pointing my first grader to Google and YouTube. "Figure it out, Johnny!"

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I should have told my 2nd grader to google bar graphs and figure it out, I guess.

Sink or swim b1tches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. Teachers should not be worried. There was a teacher shortage before this began and so many parents in this area are willing to pay $100/hr or more for one on one tutoring. If cuts happen these teachers will probably be hired by the same parents complaining about distance learning and will make more money than they did with their salary.

That was when there was generally a tight labor market. Are you familiar with the unemployment rate?[/quote

Any one off the street can't just go apply for a teaching job. You have to have the right credentials? Haven't taught in 10 years and let your license lapse? No job for you.

Many states will issue emergency teaching credentials when they need to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

HAHAHAHA. You are so out of touch with what’s actually happening. Does it make you feel better to insult people you don’t even know?

So address the fact that many are doing no actual teaching. No teaching videos, no live zoom instruction. Just put up assignments, that’s it.

If kids don’t automatically know what to do (and how would they if it’s new content?) parents have to take time out of their work day to show them.

What will they do when they encounter something new in their lives, and you aren't around, and a teacher hasn't done a live or pre-recorded lesson for them? What do you do when you don't know or can't remember something? Google it. Point them to Khan Academy or YouTube or dozens of other sites. Get them workbooks or textbooks. Let them try and figure it out first, and help them only if they get stuck. Direct instruction isn't even needed in most cases, especially if classmates can work together to figure things out.

Yeah, I'm definitely pointing my first grader to Google and YouTube. "Figure it out, Johnny!"

+1

I should have told my 2nd grader to google bar graphs and figure it out, I guess.

Sink or swim b1tches.

If illiterate children living in remote villages can learn English and even DNA concepts without a teacher, you may be underestimating what's possible.

https://www.edutopia.org/blog/self-organized-learning-sugata-mitra
"When working in groups, children do not need to be "taught" how to use computers. They can teach themselves."

https://www.dev4x.com/blog/2015/9/28/can-children-learn-without-teachers-sugata-mitra-shows-how
"demonstrated when children in rural India taught themselves English in order to learn the information about DNA replication on a computer"

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Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

Ok fine. If that happens? How many math teachers does a school really need? One per grade to put together the content. The online programs like Khan Academy do everything else including teaching and grading. This goes for the programs that my kids’ science and Spanish teachers are using as well.

If school continues online for the next however many years, won’t there be a massive lay off of teachers? Why are they not more worried about their jobs?

They'll need more than one math teacher per grade. Non-educators think this process is so easy. Picking a Khan Academy video and posting it online is not teaching. If you think it is, please pull your student from school and homeschool them (for real).

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Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

Ok fine. If that happens? How many math teachers does a school really need? One per grade to put together the content. The online programs like Khan Academy do everything else including teaching and grading. This goes for the programs that my kids’ science and Spanish teachers are using as well.

If school continues online for the next however many years, won’t there be a massive lay off of teachers? Why are they not more worried about their jobs?

There is no way that will happen. Countries that were hit before us are already starting to go back. At the rate things are going, I do t even think we will be online in the fall.

Yes, going back...but school looks very different. To give just one example: my cousins are all in Belgium and they go back the week of May 18th. On week one, only 12th graders and 6th graders go back, 2 days/wk w no more than 10 per class. If that goes alright hey will add grades. Some grades only one day/wk.

I know we want to believe we’ll be back to FT school as it was before...okay. But I sure hope school and business leaders are planning for the possibility of a very different landscape.

I find that kind of odd because Belgium has the second highest rate of cases per million population in the world, second only to Spain, and Belgium has the highest deaths per million of population. Not sure why they are in a hurry to reopen anything.

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I don't know about higher grades, but for E.S age children, especially the young children, I would think they need MORE teachers or at least, more online classes with SMALL groups. Twenty+ children in a K, 1st, 2nd or 3rd class is too much. For my K child, I would rather she had 20 min of class with a group of 5 rather than 1 hour and 30 min with a group of 19 children.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools should resume in the fall. period. If teachers can't handle it, then FCPS has all summer to find people that can handle it.

I hope you understand that when you dismiss people’s concerns about dying of the virus due to a lack of precautions that you are showing how little you care about others. That’s very sad and I hope you aren’t sharing that with your children.
The stunning lack of regard for the well being for the people who work with your kids all day makes me want to go out of my way to please you even less.

The PP is probably just frustrated and with good reason. It’s detrimental for children to be out of school. The loss of learning is immense. Please step out of your bubble.

If they "lost" the learning, they probably didn't really have it in the first place, and don't need it except to jump through school hoops. Also, it should be completely obvious that no one needs to be in a school to learn.

This is the Old School House, new way new learning, the door is opening ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. Teachers should not be worried. There was a teacher shortage before this began and so many parents in this area are willing to pay $100/hr or more for one on one tutoring. If cuts happen these teachers will probably be hired by the same parents complaining about distance learning and will make more money than they did with their salary.

That was when there was generally a tight labor market. Are you familiar with the unemployment rate?

During the Great Recession, there was a hiring freeze. A lot of districts moved to long term subs or Teach For America fellows. They quit pretty quickly. Some after a few weeks.

[Anonymous]

I think we all should be very worried about the prospect of schools remains closed for extended periods. The education lost, the hunger, neglect, lack of social interaction and development for a generation of kids will have serious and long lasting implications for our communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

I'm a teacher.

The reason to close schools is to slow the spread of illness as a part of wider community mitigation measures. School closure is not enacted to protect school employees from illness specifically.

Once there is reason to reopen schools, from a community standpoint, teachers are going have to do our part as well as everyone else to be able to reopen the schools while keeping spread to a minimum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

Ok fine. If that happens? How many math teachers does a school really need? One per grade to put together the content. The online programs like Khan Academy do everything else including teaching and grading. This goes for the programs that my kids’ science and Spanish teachers are using as well.

If school continues online for the next however many years, won’t there be a massive lay off of teachers? Why are they not more worried about their jobs?

There is no way that will happen. Countries that were hit before us are already starting to go back. At the rate things are going, I do t even think we will be online in the fall.

Yes, going back...but school looks very different. To give just one example: my cousins are all in Belgium and they go back the week of May 18th. On week one, only 12th graders and 6th graders go back, 2 days/wk w no more than 10 per class. If that goes alright hey will add grades. Some grades only one day/wk.

I know we want to believe we’ll be back to FT school as it was before...okay. But I sure hope school and business leaders are planning for the possibility of a very different landscape.

I find that kind of odd because Belgium has the second highest rate of cases per million population in the world, second only to Spain, and Belgium has the highest deaths per million of population. Not sure why they are in a hurry to reopen anything.

Yeah -- Belgium has a very high rate of death per million population... The only country with a higher death rate per million people is Sweden!

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/new-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&year=2020-05-05&time=2020-05-05&country=CAN+DNK+FRA+DEU+ITA+NOR+POL+KOR+ESP+SWE+USA+IRN+BEL+CHE+AUT+CZE+NPL+GBR®ion=NorthAmerica

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see sooo many teachers commenting in various places that they’re worried about getting the virus so don’t think schools should resume in person.

Ok fine. If that happens? How many math teachers does a school really need? One per grade to put together the content. The online programs like Khan Academy do everything else including teaching and grading. This goes for the programs that my kids’ science and Spanish teachers are using as well.

If school continues online for the next however many years, won’t there be a massive lay off of teachers? Why are they not more worried about their jobs?

There is no way that will happen. Countries that were hit before us are already starting to go back. At the rate things are going, I do t even think we will be online in the fall.

Yes, going back...but school looks very different. To give just one example: my cousins are all in Belgium and they go back the week of May 18th. On week one, only 12th graders and 6th graders go back, 2 days/wk w no more than 10 per class. If that goes alright hey will add grades. Some grades only one day/wk.

I know we want to believe we’ll be back to FT school as it was before...okay. But I sure hope school and business leaders are planning for the possibility of a very different landscape.

I find that kind of odd because Belgium has the second highest rate of cases per million population in the world, second only to Spain, and Belgium has the highest deaths per million of population. Not sure why they are in a hurry to reopen anything.

Because the loss of education and social interaction for kids matters too.

[Anonymous]

No. Parents want kids back in school. The pressure will be on.