If schools have to continue online, shouldn’t teachers worry about their jobs?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall

I know reading is very hard but did you read what this was in response to? “The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for nowhere near full time work, until there is a COVID vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so.” As if teachers not working during the summer is equivalent to two months of paid vacation. It isn’t. We aren’t paid for the summer so we don’t work it. Period. If you weren’t paid for a large portion of the year I doubt you would agree to work either.
I also have absolutely no obligation to enumerate my work day for you. I won’t even try because that’s how little your opinion means here.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall

I know reading is very hard but did you read what this was in response to? “The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for nowhere near full time work, until there is a COVID vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so.” As if teachers not working during the summer is equivalent to two months of paid vacation. It isn’t. We aren’t paid for the summer so we don’t work it. Period. If you weren’t paid for a large portion of the year I doubt you would agree to work either.
I also have absolutely no obligation to enumerate my work day for you. I won’t even try because that’s how little your opinion means here.

Yes I can read, can you?? What was meant was if the rest of the country is going back to work in June, July, and August, why do teachers expect to be exempt from going back to work come August/September (but still want to get paid as they normally would)?? THAT is what this comment meant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

Are they? Where are you located?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall

I know reading is very hard but did you read what this was in response to? “The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for nowhere near full time work, until there is a COVID vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so.” As if teachers not working during the summer is equivalent to two months of paid vacation. It isn’t. We aren’t paid for the summer so we don’t work it. Period. If you weren’t paid for a large portion of the year I doubt you would agree to work either.
I also have absolutely no obligation to enumerate my work day for you. I won’t even try because that’s how little your opinion means here.

Honey, you need to stop responding because your inability to understand what you are reading and think critically is only confirming people’s suspicions about the quality of their kids’ teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall

I know reading is very hard but did you read what this was in response to? “The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for nowhere near full time work, until there is a COVID vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so.” As if teachers not working during the summer is equivalent to two months of paid vacation. It isn’t. We aren’t paid for the summer so we don’t work it. Period. If you weren’t paid for a large portion of the year I doubt you would agree to work either.
I also have absolutely no obligation to enumerate my work day for you. I won’t even try because that’s how little your opinion means here.

Honey, you need to stop responding because your inability to understand what you are reading and think critically is only confirming people’s suspicions about the quality of their kids’ teachers.

Yes, you sound like a real analytical thinker.
I can’t wait for the fall when parents will be falling all over themselves to blame teachers when their kids are sent home sick, when there are no after school programs, and when sports and art education are cut.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools should resume in the fall. period. If teachers can't handle it, then FCPS has all summer to find people that can handle it.

Nope

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The most obvious solution is for school to open for this who need or want it. Families who have concerns can watch live feed of their classrooms and learn that way.

If you watched a live stream of my 90 minute high school class you would spend the majority of the time watching students working in pairs, doing activities, or moving around the classroom. I don't know how watching that would help a student alone at home learn. I don't lecture all class, I don't just give worksheets. That is part of why distance learning is so hard. But I really don't see how a student would learn watching from home.

I have been doing the same thing for 90-120 minute classes on Zoom. We use Breakout Rooms for partners to analyze documents, small groups to discuss issues, etc. How is that different from having everyone in person? Just pair up people who are at home. The only thing that is a pain is just getting all of the documents out in advance.

How would I answer their questions while helping kids in the classroom at the same time? How do I send out documents that need to be cut or can't be translated to worksheets? It's very different given that I try to use the whole classroom and have students moving a lot to complete the work. And to try to convert that to kids at home would take a lot of time and wouldn't be as effective.

You need to use your imagination. Kids in Breakout Rooms can ask for help and it appears on your screen. Is it a pain to have to keep your eyes on multiple places, yes, but under this scenario you would have fewer kids in your room as well. I have done "Station" activities this quarter by just sending out all of the documents that would have been at different stations in one file. Is it as interesting to sit in one place, no, but it works fine. What documents "can't be translated to worksheets?" I have converted photos and everything to pdfs to send out. If a worksheet needs to be cut into two, you send out the pdf and give people those instructions. We have even done Escape Room stuff this quarter and they take a picture and send it to me. This is possible. You teach high school students. They don't have to get up and move around to make it through a class.

It's funny you tell me to use my imagination but you can't imagine any activities that don't just translate to pdfs (which are just worksheets).

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Anonymous wrote:Schools should resume in the fall. period. If teachers can't handle it, then FCPS has all summer to find people that can handle it.

Nope

yup

Nope

Yup.

The most obvious solution is for school to open for this who need or want it. Families who have concerns can watch live feed of their classrooms and learn that way.

If you watched a live stream of my 90 minute high school class you would spend the majority of the time watching students working in pairs, doing activities, or moving around the classroom. I don't know how watching that would help a student alone at home learn. I don't lecture all class, I don't just give worksheets. That is part of why distance learning is so hard. But I really don't see how a student would learn watching from home.

Schools must come to terms with the idea that learning in groups is ineffective. Return to lectures. When I was in high school, we never worked in pairs in social studies classes. A teacher—who was an expert in their subject matter—LECTURED on the constitution, or the civil rights, or macroeconomic theories. This is what schools must do going forward. Toss aside the group work. It sucked anyway. Build knowledge, teach how to think critically, analyze works, and so on.

And then, set up a web camera so students at home can watch the lecture and ask/answer questions.

As a teacher, I agree with this I HATE group work and much prefer lecture style classes. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the education establishment to give up on group work. The education colleges love it, and have spent decades railing against the “sage on the stage”. Most teachers and educators are uncomfortable admitting that they prefer traditional styles of teaching, because it’s been so demonized by people who don’t have to actually be on a classroom and manage the behaviors of children “engaged” in group work, who spend most of the time socializing with each other than actually doing their assignments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall[/quote]



If you really want to get technical about compensating teachers for their time worked, the fewer hours we have worked over the past seven weeks, is more than made up for the HOURS and HOURS that teachers spends beyond their contract hours at all other times. During normal times, Spread out over a 12 month year, I easily work double my contract hours. So don’t bellyache about teachers temporarily getting a break. My guess is that most people working from home now, aren’t really working the same number of hours that they do in an office, and of course there’s all the people on unemployment making the same if not more than they did when they were working. So why all the ire for teachers, who in normal times work an OBSCENE amount of hours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall[/quote]



If you really want to get technical about compensating teachers for their time worked, the fewer hours we have worked over the past seven weeks, is more than made up for the HOURS and HOURS that teachers spends beyond their contract hours at all other times. During normal times, Spread out over a 12 month year, I easily work double my contract hours. So don’t bellyache about teachers temporarily getting a break. My guess is that most people working from home now, aren’t really working the same number of hours that they do in an office, and of course there’s all the people on unemployment making the same if not more than they did when they were working. So why all the ire for teachers, who in normal times work an OBSCENE amount of hours?

You know almost everyone making a salary works more than 40 hrs per week. They don't get every single weekend, holiday, day it snows more than a couple inches, and summer off either. Some teachers are working a couple hours PER WEEK right now. Distance learning in most districts is a sad effort and not at all comparable to the education of a normal school day. Most people that are working from home, are in fact, still working comparable hours to their in-office jobs. Not only have many teachers not been working 40 hrs per week for the past 7+ weeks, but they plan to drag out not going back to work (and not working much at all) for another 6+ months. This isn't in the best interest of children and their education, which is what teachers are supposed to be advocates for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall[/quote]



If you really want to get technical about compensating teachers for their time worked, the fewer hours we have worked over the past seven weeks, is more than made up for the HOURS and HOURS that teachers spends beyond their contract hours at all other times. During normal times, Spread out over a 12 month year, I easily work double my contract hours. So don’t bellyache about teachers temporarily getting a break. My guess is that most people working from home now, aren’t really working the same number of hours that they do in an office, and of course there’s all the people on unemployment making the same if not more than they did when they were working. So why all the ire for teachers, who in normal times work an OBSCENE amount of hours?

You know almost everyone making a salary works more than 40 hrs per week. They don't get every single weekend, holiday, day it snows more than a couple inches, and summer off either. Some teachers are working a couple hours PER WEEK right now. Distance learning in most districts is a sad effort and not at all comparable to the education of a normal school day. Most people that are working from home, are in fact, still working comparable hours to their in-office jobs. Not only have many teachers not been working 40 hrs per week for the past 7+ weeks, but they plan to drag out not going back to work (and not working much at all) for another 6+ months. This isn't in the best interest of children and their education, which is what teachers are supposed to be advocates for.

I actually don't "know" that everyone with a salary works more than 40 hours a week. I don't see that. I see a lot of people who stroll into their office at 10am and leave at 5 or 5:30, taking an hour lunch break and spending a lot of the day messing around online shopping, texting their husband about dinner, or chatting with their coworkers.

Maybe "some teachers" work a couple hours PER WEEK (I don't know any) but a lot of people who consider themselves professionals do the same thing. I work my full contract hours and beyond-I work every weekend, through my lunch break, and into the afternoon. I'm tired of parents pretending that the face to face interaction they have with us is ALL we do. Do people think lawyers are only working when they're in court? No, they understand that lawyers work on a case for months. And they bill for those hours of prep! Let's say you work in graphic design or architecture. Are your meetings with clients the only time you're working? It's pretty obvious that those people are expected to prepare their presentations and projects in advance. Their clients would certainly go elsewhere if they didn't. Teaching is the same-we CREATE everything you see. We don't just make it up as we lecture. Now creating those lessons takes considerably longer because the format has to be totally different. I can't just upload PDFs of worksheets from previous years and close my laptop. I turn everything into an interactive, editable worksheet differentiated on different levels so all my students can access it. I create texts, find access to different resources online, and create comprehensive units. I post 4-5 lessons every day and I "go live" with the class a few times a week to deliver instruction and check in with them. I still do paperwork, do outreach to parents every day, write IEPs and hold meetings, collaborate with related service providers, provide tech support to parents, and attend staff meetings. I'm available to my students all day Monday through Friday. Then you turn around and tell me I'm not doing my job? That I don't care about children? Okay.

I'm done with it. You should spend one day trying to make twenty parents happy, creating lessons and materials, and smiling while people tell you that they think you're a liar who should lose your job. A word of advice: if you want more from teachers, try treating them with an iota of respect. Talking to parents like you is totally demoralizing and makes me question why I do this. For the last time, we aren't "dragging out going back to work" and taking a six month break. We are demanding that they put together comprehensive plans to open schools safely and asking parents for their partnership in doing so. So many parents are stomping their feet and saying, "Just go back! It should be the same as before! We don't want any changes and we won't help. If you get sick, too bad." It's really depressing.

[Anonymous]

You have no idea how many hours teachers are working. If the school system screwed up and shut down their delivery, that’s one thing. For those who are working, it’s like being a first year teacher all over again. At our school we don’t teach math only with worksheets. We build models and solve problems. Science is all project based and has no textbooks. A parent on another thread complained about the costs of supplies and I sympathize with that. Is anyone seeing real hands-in investigations in these areas? Not just Kahn Academy ( which does a good job) And screens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are lazyAF.

They just want to sit at home on their couches and still get paid what they normally would. Totally taking advantage of the situation.

You have got to be a teenager. Do your parents know you are spending time on DCUM posting idiotic, nasty comments?

Crass response, but kind of true. I don’t think teachers are lazy individually, but as a whole with their union advocating, absolutely. The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for no where near full time work, until their is a covid vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so. If that is what unions are lobbying for, I hope this is the beginning of the end of unions.

We do not get paid for the summer. We are paid a ten month salary spread out over twelve months. You want me to work two additional months? Okay. Then you’re going to have to pay me for it (proportionally-not a small lump sum) and we are going to need to negotiate vacation time. Teachers don’t have vacation time built into our contracts outside of the schools breaks. We already worked spring break without compensation. I’m not an indentured servant. You don’t seem to understand that teaching is a job and not a charity.

No one is talking about teachers teaching through summer. Let's not pretend you are working 40 hrs per week for "distance learning" while schools aren't closed now and if they stay closed in the fall

I know reading is very hard but did you read what this was in response to? “The rest of the country will be back to work in June, July, August. But teachers get to stay home, collect the same pay for nowhere near full time work, until there is a COVID vaccine and zero cases? I don’t think so.” As if teachers not working during the summer is equivalent to two months of paid vacation. It isn’t. We aren’t paid for the summer so we don’t work it. Period. If you weren’t paid for a large portion of the year I doubt you would agree to work either.
I also have absolutely no obligation to enumerate my work day for you. I won’t even try because that’s how little your opinion means here.

Yes I can read, can you?? What was meant was if the rest of the country is going back to work in June, July, and August, why do teachers expect to be exempt from going back to work come August/September (but still want to get paid as they normally would)?? THAT is what this comment meant.

I don't think that's the case. I haven't heard teachers say that they don't expect to go back to work when everyone else does. The only way I can remotely see how it could be different is that I do think it's most likely harder to socially distance in a school environment than it is in many other workplaces, but I didn't hear teachers saying that they shouldn't be going back to work, at least no more so than other people who support prolonging the shutdown, but individual teachers are no more likely to feel that way than anyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have no idea how many hours teachers are working. If the school system screwed up and shut down their delivery, that’s one thing. For those who are working, it’s like being a first year teacher all over again. At our school we don’t teach math only with worksheets. We build models and solve problems. Science is all project based and has no textbooks. A parent on another thread complained about the costs of supplies and I sympathize with that. Is anyone seeing real hands-in investigations in these areas? Not just Kahn Academy ( which does a good job) And screens?

Curious what grade this is.

[Anonymous]

I want to go back to teaching, because I think it is far better for my students.

I do have concerns about how we will protect students and staff from contracting the illness, since at my mid-century school building we are packed pretty tightly. I also have concerns about what will happen logistically when teachers become ill, since early covid looks like cold and flu. Most teachers go to work sick with cold and flu, but that won’t be advisable this year, so more subs will be needed in general to avoid combining classes and exposing students any more than necessary. In my district, we never have a sufficient sub pool.

[Anonymous]

**teaching “in person”