Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

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Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread. So fun. I have NEVER really understood the argument for increasing density in the name of saving the planet and global warming. Maybe at the expense of humanity as we are seeing.

Anyway, why does there seem to be an assumption in this thread that Single Family Homes are being occupied by predominately singles and empty nesters? There seem to be LOTS of families with kids of all ages in green leafy DC neighborhoods.

My family has been getting a daily walk or two over the course of this event. I must say that I am very grateful that I am walking through green neighborhoods and not concrete canyons that the "make it denser and build it higher" lobby are always pushing for. Whoever passed the current height laws was a visionary and knew that people needed to breathe.

Good luck to all. Enjoy your wide quiet streets in these times.

It’s one thing to say you don’t think the arguments hold up for XYZ reasons, but to actually not understand them means you just aren’t very bright. Par for the course unfortunately for the anxious, aging boomers who fetishize SFHs and cars[/

Oh thanks. That is it. You explained why density is the answer. Build away.

we are all in solidarity with the myopic outspoken smart growthers, as many of us are also posting online from our (mother’s) basement.

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Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread. So fun. I have NEVER really understood the argument for increasing density in the name of saving the planet and global warming. Maybe at the expense of humanity as we are seeing.

Anyway, why does there seem to be an assumption in this thread that Single Family Homes are being occupied by predominately singles and empty nesters? There seem to be LOTS of families with kids of all ages in green leafy DC neighborhoods.

My family has been getting a daily walk or two over the course of this event. I must say that I am very grateful that I am walking through green neighborhoods and not concrete canyons that the "make it denser and build it higher" lobby are always pushing for. Whoever passed the current height laws was a visionary and knew that people needed to breathe.

Good luck to all. Enjoy your wide quiet streets in these times.

Like in Staten Island!

https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/staten-island-reaches-highest-rate-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-city.html

^^^not to mention the concrete canyons of New Rochelle, NY.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in DC, and I'm really liking it. It's not like NYC where it's hard to find space. I can go for a walk and maintain plenty of distance, but I can also have a porch happy hour where I can chat with all my neighbors while we are all on our own porches. I can be by myself yet not feel lonely.

DC is way more livable than NYC.

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Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

Stick your head in the sand if you want, but a lot more people in New York City are going to die precisely because it is so densely populated. I dont see what's so smart about that.

From the Times:

“Density is really an enemy in a situation like this,” said Dr. Steven Goodman, an epidemiologist at Stanford University. “With large population centers, where people are interacting with more people all the time, that’s where it’s going to spread the fastest.”

The challenge facing New York and other tightly cramped cities around the United States can be seen by comparing the country’s largest city to its second biggest, Los Angeles.

As of Monday, there were more than 13,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York and about 500 in Los Angeles. New York reported 125 deaths; Los Angeles reported seven.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/nyregion/corona...dule=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

Stick your head in the sand if you want, but a lot more people in New York City are going to die precisely because it is so densely populated. I dont see what's so smart about that.

From the Times:

“Density is really an enemy in a situation like this,” said Dr. Steven Goodman, an epidemiologist at Stanford University. “With large population centers, where people are interacting with more people all the time, that’s where it’s going to spread the fastest.”

The challenge facing New York and other tightly cramped cities around the United States can be seen by comparing the country’s largest city to its second biggest, Los Angeles.

As of Monday, there were more than 13,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York and about 500 in Los Angeles. New York reported 125 deaths; Los Angeles reported seven.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/nyregion/corona...dule=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

A lot more people in New York City than what/where? Death RATES are the issue here, PP. Not death numbers. Obviously places with lots of people are going to have more deaths, all things being equal. What do you think is going to happen in West Virginia, where the population is already older, poorer, and sicker, with less access to health care, during normal times?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

Stick your head in the sand if you want, but a lot more people in New York City are going to die precisely because it is so densely populated. I dont see what's so smart about that.

From the Times:

“Density is really an enemy in a situation like this,” said Dr. Steven Goodman, an epidemiologist at Stanford University. “With large population centers, where people are interacting with more people all the time, that’s where it’s going to spread the fastest.”

The challenge facing New York and other tightly cramped cities around the United States can be seen by comparing the country’s largest city to its second biggest, Los Angeles.

As of Monday, there were more than 13,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York and about 500 in Los Angeles. New York reported 125 deaths; Los Angeles reported seven.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/nyregion/corona...dule=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

A lot more people in New York City than what/where? Death RATES are the issue here, PP. Not death numbers. Obviously places with lots of people are going to have more deaths, all things being equal. What do you think is going to happen in West Virginia, where the population is already older, poorer, and sicker, with less access to health care, during normal times?

Pick up a newspaper. New York City is about to become the epicenter of the entire pandemic. People in Italy and China will say, "thank goodness I'm not in New York City."

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Pick up a newspaper. New York City is about to become the epicenter of the entire pandemic. People in Italy and China will say, "thank goodness I'm not in New York City."

Yup. Dense places are doomed - look at the experiences of Seoul, Taipei, Tokyo, and Singapore.

But seriously, PP. Stop hating on Manhattan for just a second and think about what's going to happen to in places in the US that are not Manhattan. Think about Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Louisiana - already the least healthy states (and poorest) states in the US. Think about Florida.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Pick up a newspaper. New York City is about to become the epicenter of the entire pandemic. People in Italy and China will say, "thank goodness I'm not in New York City."

Yup. Dense places are doomed - look at the experiences of Seoul, Taipei, Tokyo, and Singapore.

But seriously, PP. Stop hating on Manhattan for just a second and think about what's going to happen to in places in the US that are not Manhattan. Think about Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Louisiana - already the least healthy states (and poorest) states in the US. Think about Florida.

^^^also, "pick up a newspaper"? I'm guessing you're in an age group that's disproportionately likely to die from covid-19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

The smarty-pants growth bloggers can the virus “boomer remover.” And Big Development interests are grateful for their service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

All of the arguments that I have heard advocating 'smart growth' or 'densification' seem to be arguments for building and cozying up to all of our DC builder friends. Nothing seems to acknowledge that we have a vibrant, walkable and livable city right now where you can walk outside and see the sky. I have loved my time living in NYC, but it always got to me that I was always in the shadows and I only saw the sun a couple of hours around noon.

I love NYC, not every city needs to be NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that a once-in-a-century health event is an actual argument against smart growth that sets up affordability, sustainability, and accessibility for generations to come.

Or what's even worse and sadly more likely, imagine knowing how ridiculous that is yet going right ahead and using a disaster that will likely kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans to push your personal NIMBY agenda.

All of the arguments that I have heard advocating 'smart growth' or 'densification' seem to be arguments for building and cozying up to all of our DC builder friends. Nothing seems to acknowledge that we have a vibrant, walkable and livable city right now where you can walk outside and see the sky. I have loved my time living in NYC, but it always got to me that I was always in the shadows and I only saw the sun a couple of hours around noon.

800,000 people used to live in DC, without there being 50-story buildings.

[Anonymous]

Y'all are actually arguing about this dumb shit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Pick up a newspaper. New York City is about to become the epicenter of the entire pandemic. People in Italy and China will say, "thank goodness I'm not in New York City."

Yup. Dense places are doomed - look at the experiences of Seoul, Taipei, Tokyo, and Singapore.

But seriously, PP. Stop hating on Manhattan for just a second and think about what's going to happen to in places in the US that are not Manhattan. Think about Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Louisiana - already the least healthy states (and poorest) states in the US. Think about Florida.

There's 25,000 CV cases in New York. That figure is doubling every three days. But, sure, let's all focus on the 100 cases in Oklahoma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Pick up a newspaper. New York City is about to become the epicenter of the entire pandemic. People in Italy and China will say, "thank goodness I'm not in New York City."

Yup. Dense places are doomed - look at the experiences of Seoul, Taipei, Tokyo, and Singapore.

But seriously, PP. Stop hating on Manhattan for just a second and think about what's going to happen to in places in the US that are not Manhattan. Think about Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Louisiana - already the least healthy states (and poorest) states in the US. Think about Florida.

There's 25,000 CV cases in New York. That figure is doubling every three days. But, sure, let's all focus on the 100 cases in Oklahoma.

There are 19 million people in NYC alone, compared to 4 million people in all of Oklahoma.

More importantly, according to the governor of Oklahoma - who hasn't even closed the restaurants yet - there is a "critically low" supply of tests in Oklahoma. No testing means no confirmed cases; it does NOT mean no actual cases.

Do you seriously think that people in Oklahoma aren't going to get it? The governor of Oklahoma hasn't even shut down the restaurants.