The Facts About the Districtwide Boundary Analysis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They would like to do county wide boundary changes. At any rate, with Crown and Woodward opening they will have the opportunity to redistrict a large swath of the county.

MCPS currently has 25 high schools. When Crown opens and Woodward re-opens, MCPS will have 27 high schools - an increase of 8%. Most people in the county will not be affected.

I think that they wouldn't have paid half a million dollars for an analysis they don't plan to use as backup for lots of rezoning.

The boundary analysis is capped at $475,000 - 0.018% of the MCPS annual operating budget. Or, let's put it another way: what kind of housing, zoned for which schools, can you buy for $475,000 in Montgomery County?

It is a four year contract. No cap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

The bigger question is why are we encouraging poverty to relocate here with the welcome mat for illegals and tons of services for low income residents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They would like to do county wide boundary changes. At any rate, with Crown and Woodward opening they will have the opportunity to redistrict a large swath of the county.

MCPS currently has 25 high schools. When Crown opens and Woodward re-opens, MCPS will have 27 high schools - an increase of 8%. Most people in the county will not be affected.

I think that they wouldn't have paid half a million dollars for an analysis they don't plan to use as backup for lots of rezoning.

The boundary analysis is capped at $475,000 - 0.018% of the MCPS annual operating budget. Or, let's put it another way: what kind of housing, zoned for which schools, can you buy for $475,000 in Montgomery County?

It is a four year contract. No cap.

Yes, there is a cap. The contract is not to exceed $475,000, and it's for one year with 3 one-year renewal options.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/Award-Cont-Districtwide-Boundary-Analysis.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

So much poverty in Montgomery County, compared to what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

The other infuriating issue about this is that the BOE seems to think that the kids who need extra help will magically score better when moved to lower farms school. The school's average will probably get better but until they actually help the students who are having trouble with catching up, they, as an individuals will not improve. They are going to be treated as a % in a pool of kids that are not having issues. My friends who are in focus schools and Title 1 schools definitely have more resource and help, these resources are not available to schools with low farms. However I do hope that there is accountability on the funding to make sure that all kids who need help are given what they need and we're not just throwing money at a problem. In my opinion, there are current issues that they need to address- like the way they forecast the student population( biggest culprit of the current issue), kids who are falling behind, and proper accountability of school funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The other infuriating issue about this is that the BOE seems to think that the kids who need extra help will magically score better when moved to lower farms school. The school's average will probably get better but until they actually help the students who are having trouble with catching up, they, as an individuals will not improve. They are going to be treated as a % in a pool of kids that are not having issues. My friends who are in focus schools and Title 1 schools definitely have more resource and help, these resources are not available to schools with low farms. However I do hope that there is accountability on the funding to make sure that all kids who need help are given what they need and we're not just throwing money at a problem. In my opinion, there are current issues that they need to address- like the way they forecast the student population( biggest culprit of the current issue), kids who are falling behind, and proper accountability of school funding.

Maybe MCPS and BoE are saying that boundary adjustments for capacity/transportation/demographics will completely and permanently solve all problems related to poverty. But if they are, I haven't heard it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The other infuriating issue about this is that the BOE seems to think that the kids who need extra help will magically score better when moved to lower farms school. The school's average will probably get better but until they actually help the students who are having trouble with catching up, they, as an individuals will not improve. They are going to be treated as a % in a pool of kids that are not having issues. My friends who are in focus schools and Title 1 schools definitely have more resource and help, these resources are not available to schools with low farms. However I do hope that there is accountability on the funding to make sure that all kids who need help are given what they need and we're not just throwing money at a problem. In my opinion, there are current issues that they need to address- like the way they forecast the student population( biggest culprit of the current issue), kids who are falling behind, and proper accountability of school funding.

Maybe MCPS and BoE are saying that boundary adjustments for capacity/transportation/demographics will completely and permanently solve all problems related to poverty. But if they are, I haven't heard it.

They are just going to shuffle the deck, there will be new best schools and worst. The people making 200k plus will flock there and push the imbalances back to similar levels. The schools simply can’t make rich people live conveniently near the unwashed masses.

There isn’t a world where MCPS can bus kids of high SES to places they don’t want to go. They will opt out. You can rezone the over extended rich/poor types but only for a little while before all the new ones of them in the future opt out.

You can bus poor kids to rich areas because they don’t have a choice. The real rich will flee the school and short term smaller class sizes might help smooth the bump to the plummeting test scores that will be used as a weapon and proof of the inferiority of the new kids.

Problem is the best of the nice high schools aren’t anywhere near poor kids. Which ironically is why they are so highly regarded

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

They are just going to shuffle the deck, there will be new best schools and worst. The people making 200k plus will flock there and push the imbalances back to similar levels. The schools simply can’t make rich people live conveniently near the unwashed masses.

There isn’t a world where MCPS can bus kids of high SES to places they don’t want to go. They will opt out. You can rezone the over extended rich/poor types but only for a little while before all the new ones of them in the future opt out.

You can bus poor kids to rich areas because they don’t have a choice. The real rich will flee the school and short term smaller class sizes might help smooth the bump to the plummeting test scores that will be used as a weapon and proof of the inferiority of the new kids.

Problem is the best of the nice high schools aren’t anywhere near poor kids. Which ironically is why they are so highly regarded

In what world do large numbers of people, even rich people, just up and move in flock-sized numbers? Independent of all other major aspects of real estate, which, as I recall, are:

-Location,
-Location, and
-Location?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

Middle class does not make $125-600K. That is not middle class. And, then they should be lobbying to get all schools fixed and up to standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

The sad part is that the ESOL, SN and FARMS kids are allocated MORE money so they should get more but they are not. These parents are not middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

Middle class does not make $125-600K. That is not middle class. And, then they should be lobbying to get all schools fixed and up to standards.

In MoCo 125k is middle class. The medium household income here is 103k (google it). And yes that’s medium not mean. There’s a vast difference between 125k and 600k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

This is very true. Many of the who hope to maintain status-quo segregation will make every possible excuse for it until it impacts them.

[Anonymous]

Parent behavior at the meeting was disgraceful. That is all.