The Facts About the Districtwide Boundary Analysis

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Anonymous wrote:The Clarksburg lawsuit is for all residents who don’t support the BOE changes to boundary.

Then apparently there are only 3 residents who don't support the boundary changes in the upcounty boundary study.

Sounds about right.

No there are 7,000 in a FB group that don't support boundary changes. I'm one of them.

That's less than 1% of MoCo's population.

Enough to make a difference. Two or three parent groups with a tenth of that number made a difference in Fairfax County.

Segregationists tried to "make a difference" in the past too.

[Anonymous]

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

[Anonymous]

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

[Anonymous]

I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).

The relevant point is that every time MCPS changes school boundaries in a way not liked by parents who are willing/able to sue, some parents will sue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).

But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).

But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

I don't think it's all property values. I think it's property values + fear of those people (you know, them, over there) + fear of change.

[Anonymous]

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I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).


But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

You know its not fiction. The BOE published charts showing the racial impact of the decisions. The BOE passed the resolution to add diversity as an especially important criteria. The boundary study is to look ways for achieve more diversity. This is not a color blind exercise by any means. The legal standard is not color blind -YET. Its vague and basically set up this impossible situation where schools are expected to achieve diversity but not use race for school assignments. Schools interrupted this as don't ask, don't tell -which is getting challenged.

The legal question which the courts sooner or later will decide is whether proxy measures or thin veiled covering school boundaries and assignments to achieve improved racial balancing is a violation of the equal protection clause or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).


But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

You know its not fiction. The BOE published charts showing the racial impact of the decisions. The BOE passed the resolution to add diversity as an especially important criteria. The boundary study is to look ways for achieve more diversity. This is not a color blind exercise by any means. The legal standard is not color blind -YET. Its vague and basically set up this impossible situation where schools are expected to achieve diversity but not use race for school assignments. Schools interrupted this as don't ask, don't tell -which is getting challenged.

The legal question which the courts sooner or later will decide is whether proxy measures or thin veiled covering school boundaries and assignments to achieve improved racial balancing is a violation of the equal protection clause or not.

Why do you think the BOE is asking for unlimited funds for attorneys fees? Because they are SO going to need them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

[Anonymous]

Two colleagues are leaving the Clarksburg area and moving to Urbana.

They paid quite a bit for their homes, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).


But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

You know its not fiction. The BOE published charts showing the racial impact of the decisions. The BOE passed the resolution to add diversity as an especially important criteria. The boundary study is to look ways for achieve more diversity. This is not a color blind exercise by any means. The legal standard is not color blind -YET. Its vague and basically set up this impossible situation where schools are expected to achieve diversity but not use race for school assignments. Schools interrupted this as don't ask, don't tell -which is getting challenged.

The legal question which the courts sooner or later will decide is whether proxy measures or thin veiled covering school boundaries and assignments to achieve improved racial balancing is a violation of the equal protection clause or not.

Why do you think the BOE is asking for unlimited funds for attorneys fees? Because they are SO going to need them.

more likely will be laughed out of court