The Facts About the Districtwide Boundary Analysis

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Anonymous wrote:Two colleagues are leaving the Clarksburg area and moving to Urbana.

They paid quite a bit for their homes, too.

The schools were kind of overcrowded so fewer people should help with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Two colleagues are leaving the Clarksburg area and moving to Urbana.

They paid quite a bit for their homes, too.

Um, ok?

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

Actually I'm not in Neelsville but I'm concerned about how this could impact future rezonings.

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

If the BOE really wanted to spread FARMS inequities to really drive down clusters of poverty they would have not just shifted it around two Middle schools. Rocky Hill Middle school will now have a FARMS of 40% and Neelsville at over 50%. If FARMS numbers really correlate with performance we will now have two failing Middle schools instead of 1.

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

If the BOE really wanted to spread FARMS inequities to really drive down clusters of poverty they would have not just shifted it around two Middle schools. Rocky Hill Middle school will now have a FARMS of 40% and Neelsville at over 50%. If FARMS numbers really correlate with performance we will now have two failing Middle schools instead of 1.

Shorter you: "I think MCPS should have done something different."

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

If the BOE really wanted to spread FARMS inequities to really drive down clusters of poverty they would have not just shifted it around two Middle schools. Rocky Hill Middle school will now have a FARMS of 40% and Neelsville at over 50%. If FARMS numbers really correlate with performance we will now have two failing Middle schools instead of 1.

Shorter you: "I think MCPS should have done something different."

Yes I agree with this.

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

If the BOE really wanted to spread FARMS inequities to really drive down clusters of poverty they would have not just shifted it around two Middle schools. Rocky Hill Middle school will now have a FARMS of 40% and Neelsville at over 50%. If FARMS numbers really correlate with performance we will now have two failing Middle schools instead of 1.

There were reassignments at five middle schools in the study, which also improved the projected utilization rates at Clemente, King, and Kingsview. The recommendation noted that further reassignments affecting the Northwest cluster are expected as part of the Crown HS study.
I think this presented a good opportunity to reduce the disparities in FARMS rates between Rocky Hill and Neelsville, since they will likely not be affected by the Crown study. The FARMS rate disparity between these two adjacent schools is currently at 44.2 points, and after the changes will be just 15.9 points.

[Anonymous]

To me, the worst part of the FAA policy change, the Clarksburg MS situation, and the Countywide Boundary Study (now just an analysis) is that it seems like the BOE had no interest in listening to their constituents at all.

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Anonymous wrote:To me, the worst part of the FAA policy change, the Clarksburg MS situation, and the Countywide Boundary Study (now just an analysis) is that it seems like the BOE had no interest in listening to their constituents at all.

There is no countywide boundary study.

Also, please distinguish between "the BoE did not listen to their constituents" and "the BoE did not let me have my way." The appeal and lawsuit about Neelsville MS are about the latter, not the former.

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Anonymous wrote:To me, the worst part of the FAA policy change, the Clarksburg MS situation, and the Countywide Boundary Study (now just an analysis) is that it seems like the BOE had no interest in listening to their constituents at all.

There is no countywide boundary study.

Also, please distinguish between "the BoE did not listen to their constituents" and "the BoE did not let me have my way." The appeal and lawsuit about Neelsville MS are about the latter, not the former.

Sad that people can’t collaborate. Not sure how MoCo ended up here.

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Anonymous wrote:The Clarksburg lawsuit is for all residents who don’t support the BOE changes to boundary.

Then apparently there are only 3 residents who don't support the boundary changes in the upcounty boundary study.

Sounds about right.

No there are 7,000 in a FB group that don't support boundary changes. I'm one of them.

That's less than 1% of MoCo's population.

Enough to make a difference. Two or three parent groups with a tenth of that number made a difference in Fairfax County.

Segregationists tried to "make a difference" in the past too.

That is true and also irrelevant.

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No there are 7,000 in a FB group that don't support boundary changes. I'm one of them.

So first of all, not everyone in that Facebook group is there because they oppose the boundary analysis.

Second, the lawsuit in the top PP is about the upcounty boundary study - the one related to the August 2020 opening of a new Seneca Valley High School building. Are you saying that you don't think that MCPS should have changed any boundaries for that? They should have just opened the new building, with the existing boundaries?

Boundaries needed to be changed because SV opened. They didn't need to take kids halfway across the county though to Neelsville.

Are you the PP? So actually, you do support boundary changes. Just not boundary changes you don't like.

Also you must not live in the upcounty, because nobody would describe a trip from southern Clarksburg or northern Germantown, to northern Germantown, as "halfway across the county."

You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

Clarksburg Outlets, which LITERALLY sits right next door to Cabin Branch, is less than 5 miles from Neelsville via 355 and less than 5.5 miles from Neelsville via 270. No were nearly "across county" LMFAO!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).

Thank goodness MCPS isn't using race for school assignments. The whole "FARMS is a proxy for race" is a very, very, very weak argument.

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I think the relevant point is that every time MCPS plucks out an area based on the demographics to achieve a more racially and economically balanced quota its going to get challenged. At some point, some school system and it very well could end up being MCPS is going to get a case that goes up to the Supreme Court. Justice Roberts was pretty clear in his statements during the 2007 case that disallowed schools from using race for school assignment that the decision should have gone even further and clarified that school assignments and boundaries should be color blind. If the court gets a case, its likely this will be the outcome and it will knock everything out-including choosing magnet locations to attract wealthy whites into low income areas, the ability for school systems to give URM students extra point for overcoming adversity in test in programs (Florida does this and its very successful).


But this is fiction since none of this happened. It would have been illegal to have done something like that. What they did is balance these schools based on the criteria which they voted on and makes sense to everyone except a few who are more concerned about property values than the quality of education.

You know its not fiction. The BOE published charts showing the racial impact of the decisions. The BOE passed the resolution to add diversity as an especially important criteria. The boundary study is to look ways for achieve more diversity. This is not a color blind exercise by any means. The legal standard is not color blind -YET. Its vague and basically set up this impossible situation where schools are expected to achieve diversity but not use race for school assignments. Schools interrupted this as don't ask, don't tell -which is getting challenged.

The legal question which the courts sooner or later will decide is whether proxy measures or thin veiled covering school boundaries and assignments to achieve improved racial balancing is a violation of the equal protection clause or not.

Diversity is not solely race. MCPS includes race, language, socioeconomic status, and "other" in its definition of diversity.

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You must not live upcounty because Cabin Branch is North Clarksburg/border of Frederick County and Neelsville is closer to Gaithersburg border than to Germantown.

No, they're not. Seriously. Look at a map. That's just plain not true.

+1. Cabin Branch is over 5 miles from the Frederick County border, and Neelsville MS is right off Germantown Road.

More nonsense from pro-busing campaign.

* Neelsville is 2.5 miles from Watkins Mill HS and 6 miles from Cabin Branch.
* Yes it's 5 miles from the county line but there is literally nothing between Cabin Branch and Frederick County line

Travelling 6 miles in an urban area is a lot worse than in a country area. The superintendent has joked that he's not moving Churchill students to Wheaton but that's the same difference in terms of mileage.

Neelsville MS is in Germantown. Specifically, the northern end of Germantown.

If you believe that Germantown is hell on earth, what did you move to Cabin Branch for? Germantown is literally adjacent to Cabin Branch, as well as the place you need to go to run most errands because Clarksburg is almost entirely residential.

And the other three closer middle schools weren't a better option because the BOE wanted to conduct a social engineering experiment.

All you're saying there is, "I think that the BoE should have rezoned other people for Neelsville MS, not me."

If the BOE really wanted to spread FARMS inequities to really drive down clusters of poverty they would have not just shifted it around two Middle schools. Rocky Hill Middle school will now have a FARMS of 40% and Neelsville at over 50%. If FARMS numbers really correlate with performance we will now have two failing Middle schools instead of 1.

Just because a school has a high FARMS rate doesn't mean the school is bad or failing. On GreatSchools Clarksburg HS is only a point above Seneca Valley lol. You should really do more homework on this. If this was how things worked no one would go to Catholic churches because of their........... issues with fondling.