Academic experience at Mundo Verde in the 1st-3rd grade years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

Well we switched school systems so it could be that the new school system just pushes kids harder. But the stuff that is review for the other kids is definitely stuff my kids have never seen before based on the math worksheets they brought home while at MV and the topics their MV teachers told us they were learning. So it has nothing to do with how advanced they are (or aren't).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

Well we switched school systems so it could be that the new school system just pushes kids harder. But the stuff that is review for the other kids is definitely stuff my kids have never seen before based on the math worksheets they brought home while at MV and the topics their MV teachers told us they were learning. So it has nothing to do with how advanced they are (or aren't).

But PP it’s all relative. DC schools suck and those of us here have to work with what we got since there is no G & T or tracking. And MV with 50% kids a proficiency at grade level is a hell of alot better than most of the other EOTP schools. I can guarantee you your kids would be even much more behind if they were at many other EOTP elementary school.

Also is your new school Spanish language immersion? Because then would it also be a more equal analogy because significant time is spent in this which takes away from other subjects. Are the kids at your school fluent in speaking, reading, and writing in Spanish? If the kids at your school are not language immersion, not a comparable analogy. It’s like apples to oranges.

Lastly if a child is advanced in math, it is much easier to supplement and challenge online at home then it is in trying to teach the child a whole new language. If I had the choice I would pick the former over the latter

[Anonymous]

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I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.

Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.

Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.

THIS. We care much more about a majority of kids at or above grade level than diversity if we had to choose.

Signed an educated minority parent.

[Anonymous]

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I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.

Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.

Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.

THIS. We care much more about a majority of kids at or above grade level than diversity if we had to choose.

Signed an educated minority parent.

But the beauty of it is that it’s not 1 or the other at MV. There is much diversity. In addition, there is a significant cohort of native Spanish speaking kids which is important to have in a classroom.

I’m looking at a picture of our DC’s class this year and 9 Caucasian, 5 AA, 5 Hispanic, and 1 mixed kid. That’s diverse enough in our book, especially for a higher performing school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. We’re not entering the lottery. My kid goes to an EOTP immersion school and is getting a rigorous education and amazing Spanish. People who’ve left for MV have told us they are disappointed about the academics.

Why don’t you tell us what school you are at PP, then we can decide.

Telling how PP has not responded. I’m guessing it’s Powell and if that’s the case, the answer is no. It’s far from a rigorous education and far behind in competency compared to MV.

For PARCC 4, MV is a whooping 28% points higher in ELA and 18% points higher in math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.

Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.

Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.

If you don't want to acknowledge the data or you don't understand it, that's fine. I tried to break it down for you but you obviously don't want to hear it. But once your kid gets older, you'll likely realize MV's shortcomings. Or maybe you'll live in ignorant bliss. Whatever. But if you are so quick to attack multiple people who have been unimpressed with their real life academic experience at the school, maybe you should think about why you're working so hard to defend the school in the wake of so much contradictory evidence and opinion. I don't know where you're getting your data from, but I got mine here:
http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

Well we switched school systems so it could be that the new school system just pushes kids harder. But the stuff that is review for the other kids is definitely stuff my kids have never seen before based on the math worksheets they brought home while at MV and the topics their MV teachers told us they were learning. So it has nothing to do with how advanced they are (or aren't).

But PP it’s all relative. DC schools suck and those of us here have to work with what we got since there is no G & T or tracking. And MV with 50% kids a proficiency at grade level is a hell of alot better than most of the other EOTP schools. I can guarantee you your kids would be even much more behind if they were at many other EOTP elementary school.

Also is your new school Spanish language immersion? Because then would it also be a more equal analogy because significant time is spent in this which takes away from other subjects. Are the kids at your school fluent in speaking, reading, and writing in Spanish? If the kids at your school are not language immersion, not a comparable analogy. It’s like apples to oranges.

Lastly if a child is advanced in math, it is much easier to supplement and challenge online at home then it is in trying to teach the child a whole new language. If I had the choice I would pick the former over the latter

PP here. The new school is also public and also bilingual. But not in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

Well we switched school systems so it could be that the new school system just pushes kids harder. But the stuff that is review for the other kids is definitely stuff my kids have never seen before based on the math worksheets they brought home while at MV and the topics their MV teachers told us they were learning. So it has nothing to do with how advanced they are (or aren't).

But PP it’s all relative. DC schools suck and those of us here have to work with what we got since there is no G & T or tracking. And MV with 50% kids a proficiency at grade level is a hell of alot better than most of the other EOTP schools. I can guarantee you your kids would be even much more behind if they were at many other EOTP elementary school.

Also is your new school Spanish language immersion? Because then would it also be a more equal analogy because significant time is spent in this which takes away from other subjects. Are the kids at your school fluent in speaking, reading, and writing in Spanish? If the kids at your school are not language immersion, not a comparable analogy. It’s like apples to oranges.

Lastly if a child is advanced in math, it is much easier to supplement and challenge online at home then it is in trying to teach the child a whole new language. If I had the choice I would pick the former over the latter

PP here. The new school is also public and also bilingual. But not in DC.

The MV boosters don't want to hear about your outside DC experience just like they don't want to hear about Bancroft, despite the comparable language immersion and diversity, or the challenges families have had when they moved to DCI from MV. It doesn't align with what they want they've talked themselves into so it is all dismissed as fake news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids were at MV and later switched schools (we moved out of DC). They were behind in their new school, particularly in math, where there were concepts they had not learned that their new school had already taught. It was particularly frustrating since the teachers at MV had told us that the math was too slow for my kids but they were not supposed to give them more advanced work.

Almost 50% passed the math PARCC so they must be teaching grade level standards to some of the students. Maybe your kids just weren’t as advanced as you thought.

Well we switched school systems so it could be that the new school system just pushes kids harder. But the stuff that is review for the other kids is definitely stuff my kids have never seen before based on the math worksheets they brought home while at MV and the topics their MV teachers told us they were learning. So it has nothing to do with how advanced they are (or aren't).

But PP it’s all relative. DC schools suck and those of us here have to work with what we got since there is no G & T or tracking. And MV with 50% kids a proficiency at grade level is a hell of alot better than most of the other EOTP schools. I can guarantee you your kids would be even much more behind if they were at many other EOTP elementary school.

Also is your new school Spanish language immersion? Because then would it also be a more equal analogy because significant time is spent in this which takes away from other subjects. Are the kids at your school fluent in speaking, reading, and writing in Spanish? If the kids at your school are not language immersion, not a comparable analogy. It’s like apples to oranges.

Lastly if a child is advanced in math, it is much easier to supplement and challenge online at home then it is in trying to teach the child a whole new language. If I had the choice I would pick the former over the latter

PP here. The new school is also public and also bilingual. But not in DC.

Is there G & T, tracking, or grouping in math at the elementary level? If the system as a whole is pushing the kids harder, and there is a even larger cohort of higher performing kids, then I’m not surprised. Peer groups at similar academic abilities become more and more important as you go up in the grades. Is the school in an urban school district?

I think the language immersion schools in NoVA are stronger than those in the city in DC. But that’s because it’s more self selective than DC. I’m sure other schools are stronger than in NoVA. Lots of factors to consider such as demographics, cohort of kids, local resources, etc... I think it’s hard to compare state to state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.

Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.

Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.

If you don't want to acknowledge the data or you don't understand it, that's fine. I tried to break it down for you but you obviously don't want to hear it. But once your kid gets older, you'll likely realize MV's shortcomings. Or maybe you'll live in ignorant bliss. Whatever. But if you are so quick to attack multiple people who have been unimpressed with their real life academic experience at the school, maybe you should think about why you're working so hard to defend the school in the wake of so much contradictory evidence and opinion. I don't know where you're getting your data from, but I got mine here:
http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC

I never said MV was perfect. You don’t think all the DC schools don’t have problems in the higher grades? Why do you think many families bail their IB schools? Its a big problem in DC since there is no tracking. That problem is that higher achieving kids are not challenged due to the wide academic spread in the classroom. If there is no tracking then the other best option is to look at peer group performance.

And what I said was that families don’t really care about your school. They care about comparing their IB school to the options of charters near them and for most, that comparison shows MV has much better PARCC scores and a higher performing cohort at and above grade level.

BTW, DC shows PARCC 3 and 4 because the students do so poorly academically. Many schools, there is such a small percentage of students at 4 and none at 5. I could care less about anything below 4 because I’m looking at competency at grade level and above. Why? Because I know my kid is going to fall in that range, and I want to know how many other peers he will have at the school. The more peers, the higher probability that his needs will be addresses.

So here you go. Easy format where I got my numbers

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0204/student-achievement

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/171-3065/student-achievement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I posted this awkwardly before so am trying again...

It simply isn't true to say MV test scores are low-ish because it is an immersion school and isn't "west of the Park." The favorable testing demographics mask what is really a poor performance across each individual demographic.

2019 PARRC scores below versus Bancroft (also a mixed-income, language-immersion school):

AA passing% 22EL 22 MATH at MV vs. 44/63 at Bancroft
Hisp passing% 29EL 36 MATH at MV vs. 42/43 at Bancroft
White passing% 62EL 69 MATH at MV vs 93/93 at Bancroft

Hey Bancroft, not interested in picking and choosing things. All we care about is total percentage of kids who are grade level at PARCC (4) for peer group. We don't care about anything below 4 with PARCC. We also don’t care about ethnic breakdown. We care about total percentage. MV (45%/47%) tops Bancroft (34%, 39%) in both ELA and Math by about 10% points.

Lastly, we don’t care about Bancroft numbers anyway because the majority of families looking at MV don’t live IB for Bancroft. The majority live in EOTP schools that are way, way below the scores of MV.

And yes we know you are the vocal poster who does not like MV.

Speak for yourself. As someone who lives EOTP, is a POC, and cares about both academics and Spanish, I think the pp highlights important information. And I think this poster had a child attend MV. I care about the breakdown.

Poster is trying to justify to herself the move.

The breakdown isn’t even for kids at competency or grade level. If you care more about the breakdown then having competency, then you are in the minority. We would all like to have diverse classrooms but not at the expense of a competent peer group. Hence why many families bail in K - 3rd in many EOTP DCPS schools.

If you don't want to acknowledge the data or you don't understand it, that's fine. I tried to break it down for you but you obviously don't want to hear it. But once your kid gets older, you'll likely realize MV's shortcomings. Or maybe you'll live in ignorant bliss. Whatever. But if you are so quick to attack multiple people who have been unimpressed with their real life academic experience at the school, maybe you should think about why you're working so hard to defend the school in the wake of so much contradictory evidence and opinion. I don't know where you're getting your data from, but I got mine here:
http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC

I never said MV was perfect. You don’t think all the DC schools don’t have problems in the higher grades? Why do you think many families bail their IB schools? Its a big problem in DC since there is no tracking. That problem is that higher achieving kids are not challenged due to the wide academic spread in the classroom. If there is no tracking then the other best option is to look at peer group performance.

And what I said was that families don’t really care about your school. They care about comparing their IB school to the options of charters near them and for most, that comparison shows MV has much better PARCC scores and a higher performing cohort at and above grade level.

BTW, DC shows PARCC 3 and 4 because the students do so poorly academically. Many schools, there is such a small percentage of students at 4 and none at 5. I could care less about anything below 4 because I’m looking at competency at grade level and above. Why? Because I know my kid is going to fall in that range, and I want to know how many other peers he will have at the school. The more peers, the higher probability that his needs will be addresses.

So here you go. Easy format where I got my numbers

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0204/student-achievement

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/171-3065/student-achievement

Those are last year's PARCC scores FYI.

[Anonymous]

Ahh... That makes sense. I'd suggest looking at the most recent year of data, though, since newer and transitional schools change so much year to year. And with the current interactive site, you can set the data to 4+ per your point. It is actually pretty impressive for DCPS!

http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC#explore-schools-leas

[Anonymous]

Not the previous PP's but just wanted to say I don't appreciate the "MV boosters" comment. There are people who are happy with MV, there are people who are ok with it but think the school needs to do better, and there are people who left the school either because of life changes or they had major issues with MV. We've been happy (experienced Prk3 through 1st) and will be monitoring academics as our children move through the upper grades. Like most families, we weighed our options and made what we think is the best choice for our children. I don't think folks just "boost" DC schools and have blinders on in terms of either school-specific or system-wide issues. If they are "boosting" as you say, they must love it a lot. Most of the MV comments in recent threads are not "this is a perfect school" but more "we love/like a lot about it and its the better school option for us."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not the previous PP's but just wanted to say I don't appreciate the "MV boosters" comment. There are people who are happy with MV, there are people who are ok with it but think the school needs to do better, and there are people who left the school either because of life changes or they had major issues with MV. We've been happy (experienced Prk3 through 1st) and will be monitoring academics as our children move through the upper grades. Like most families, we weighed our options and made what we think is the best choice for our children. I don't think folks just "boost" DC schools and have blinders on in terms of either school-specific or system-wide issues. If they are "boosting" as you say, they must love it a lot. Most of the MV comments in recent threads are not "this is a perfect school" but more "we love/like a lot about it and its the better school option for us."

Agree. No school is perfect anywhere in DC. But the bottom line for each family is the comparison of their options, and that would be their IB DCPS school and their lottery list and what they got.

For us it was no contest. MV was the much better option than our IB school. We also wanted language immersion, and a viable track to middle and high school. So it’s a much better option for us. We have been happy. It’s worked well so far for us. If in the later grades we find that our child is advanced in a subject such as math, we can easily supplement. Just like many people WOTP supplement.